CarlosRuiz: full meeting

2015-02-19T13:01:50Z

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'''''CarlosRuiz''''': Good Morning - greetings from Quito 
'''''JanThielemann''''': hi 
'''''JanThielemann''''': CarlosRuiz, do you know a way to display a new window from within an eventhandler or singleton which is started on login? 
'''''JanThielemann''''': from within my editor i can access AEnv.getDesktop() and add it there like i described in my latest google groups post 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': I haven't tried that 
'''''JanThielemann''''': the thing is: in my event handlers login event, i start up my asterisk server listener. This one get's notified about all incoming and outgoing calls. when a new callis incoming, i want to show the same popup i can show from my editor when i make the call 
'''''JanThielemann''''': but inthe editor i already have the desktop available so i can add my window easily 
'''''JanThielemann''''': how to do that in an not component class? :/ 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': JanThielemann, don't know the details but maybe you can make it similar to how broadcasting message works 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': I think is created on top of hazelcast messaging 
'''''JanThielemann''''': but broadcast is in the core i think 
'''''JanThielemann''''': i don't want to modify the core :) 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': I mean create something similar in the plugin 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': would be great if an incoming call can trigger some BP Information about the caller 
'''''JanThielemann''''': thats what i'm trying to do :/ 
'''''JanThielemann''''': when a call comes in i want to show a windwo. also i can add osgi extension points here so other plugins could also do something with the information 
'''''JanThielemann''''': i don't understand why SessionManager.getAppDesktop() and AEnv.getDesktop() return null 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': I remember hengsin helped me to solve something similar - it was something related to Executions.getCurrent if I recall correctly 
'''''JanThielemann''''': trying in this second :D 
'''''JanThielemann''''': but i think it will also be null 
'''''JanThielemann''''': because i played with this in my editor already 
'''''JanThielemann''''': and there it was always null 
'''''JanThielemann''''': (depending on where i used it= 
'''''JanThielemann''''': yep it's null in my listener 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': looking AbstractComponent.checkDetach 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': they have an exception "You cannot access a desktop other than an event listener" 
'''''JanThielemann''''': but how could i send events if i don't have a desktop to schedule them to xD 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': maybe our desktop must be an event listener? 
'''''JanThielemann''''': hieplq, ayt? any ideas :( 
'''''JanThielemann''''': i already wasted 3 hours to find a solution :/ 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': JanThielemann, if you can set up some test plugin scenario - just a few lines to do what you're trying with a dummy window 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': I can try to research it later 
'''''JanThielemann''''': i'll do it 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': today I have a flight wait :) 
'''''JanThielemann''''': :) 
'''''hieplq''''': yes. with your test plug-in it's easy to try solution and give you correct advice 
'''''JanThielemann''''': but it will be hard to test if you don't have asterisk telephony xD 
'''''JanThielemann''''': you cat get notifications :( 
'''''JanThielemann''''': it seems that in the event handler, there IS a desktop and exections.getcurrent() 
'''''JanThielemann''''': is it legit to store the session together with the desktop in a hashtable? 
'''''ocurieles''''': Hi Jan, I am with Carlos Ruiz and tells me about your plugin Asterisk, I can help you test 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': I don't have asterisk - so I think a dummy plugin code that tries to open the window as you want 
'''''ocurieles''''': I have asterisk to test 
'''''JanThielemann''''': i will try one more thing and if it does not work i'll try to create a testplugin for you guys. anyway, i will post my experience on google groups 
'''''JanThielemann''''': ocurieles, great, i will send you the plugin as soon as it is done or i fail again. :) 
'''''ocurieles''''': do you have a public repository ?? to check this? 
'''''JanThielemann''''': yes, will upload it later 
'''''JanThielemann''''': AD_Session stores a "websession" string 
'''''ocurieles''''': Ok, ready, my skype is orcsistemas if you need 
'''''JanThielemann''''': can i get this string from the context? 
'''''JanThielemann''''': added you 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': Jan, you have the #AD_Session_ID in context 
'''''JanThielemann''''': ok. already thought that i would have to use this to load the sessipon 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': going out for breakfast - will be back in half hour 
'''''JanThielemann''''': guten hunger 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': JanThielemann, I'm back 
'''''JanThielemann''''': wb 
'''''JanThielemann''''': i got to go now 
'''''JanThielemann''''': but i managed to at least display my window 
'''''JanThielemann''''': by storing the desktop from within my eventhandler into a hashmap with the session 
'''''JanThielemann''''': then i can get the desktop via the session and use it to send events 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': so, problem solved? 
'''''JanThielemann''''': in onEvent i can finally add the windows sind AEnv.getDesktop is not null in onEvent 
'''''norbertbede''''': hi @all 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': Hi norbertbede 
'''''norbertbede''''': just want to share. we are running production version 3 allready 4 weeks succesfully. mainly gui issues are reported ongoing 
'''''norbertbede''''': i mean version with zk7 and jetty 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': excellent news 
'''''ocurieles''''': Hi @nobertbede i will pass my production Server to 3.0 this week, thanks for sharing 
'''''norbertbede''''': we are running 3 companies on this server 
'''''norbertbede''''': most problems we have with zk outstanding behaves 
'''''norbertbede''''': like column width 
'''''norbertbede''''': but generally we are happy 
'''''norbertbede''''': will rollout next 30 users and monthly 5000 invoices in 6 weeks 
'''''norbertbede''''': then next feedbacks comming again 
'''''norbertbede''''': so if possible pls help fix anybody reported zk7 issues 
'''''norbertbede''''': ocurieles we can share experiences 
'''''ocurieles''''': sure 
'''''mhernandezve''''': Hello partners! 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': Hi Miguel 
'''''ocurieles''''': Mr. Hernandez :D 
'''''mhernandezve''''': Hi CarlosRuiz ocurieles 
'''''Fafali''''': hi 
'''''Fafali''''': anybody here? 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': Hi Fafali 
'''''Fafali''''': how r u Carlos? 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': fine here - and you? 
'''''Fafali''''': great 
'''''Fafali''''': I started learning Adempiere at my boss"s request 3days ago and i am completely at sea... 
'''''Fafali''''': yet the pressure grows as the days go by 
'''''Fafali''''': who wld be kind enough to help explain a few things 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': bad news you're learning obsolete system 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': you must learn iDempiere :) 
'''''Fafali''''': what's the latest then 
'''''Fafali''''': oh ok 
'''''Fafali''''': but he"s bent on the Adempiere tho 
'''''Fafali''''': wld u be king enough to walk me through 
'''''Fafali''''': ??? 
'''''Fafali''''': *kind 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': I'm wondering how did you arrive at this IRC channel? 
'''''Fafali''''': well i was looking around for people who could help 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': cos every day we receive a soul lost in adempiere - even some had came recently blaming (rudely) us because adempiere has not a release in last 2 years :) 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': so, wondering where did you find the link to this IRC channel 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': don't misunderstand me :) we're happy you arrived here - just wondering 
'''''Fafali''''': lol 
'''''Fafali''''': i googled 
'''''Fafali''''': i am actually glad i found someone here 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': we use to meet wednesdays to chat about tickets and technical things - so today is crowded 
'''''Fafali''''': i want to learn everything but i don't know where to start 
'''''hieplq''''': maybe we must re-name :D, i see many people come here to ask for adempiere 
'''''Fafali''''': lol 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': :) 
'''''Fafali''''': so no help on Adempiere? 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': Fafali, we usually recommend to total newbies to try the Bayu's book - adempiere 3.4 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': is still maybe 90% compatible with adempiere in the functional terms 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': I mean, most of what you find in the book is valid still in idempiere 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': just a few things we have improved - i.e. we dropped cash journals (which is mentioned in the book) - in favour of payment window 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': if you're skilled enough you can try to install it locally for your tests - but many people complain is not that easy to install (it requires some technical knowledge to overcome common issues) 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': if you prefer to go straight you can use on of the demo/test sites to play 
'''''Fafali''''': i installed it on ubuntu 
'''''Fafali''''': with much trouble i might add 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': but seriously - better play with idempiere - don't waste your time with adempiere 
'''''Fafali''''': i"ll prep another server then 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': if you don't believe me - try the adempiere IRC and forums :-) 
'''''Fafali''''': i do believe u until u give me a reason not to 
'''''Fafali''''': i will take ur word and try it 
'''''Fafali''''': i am very grateful 
'''''Fafali''''': i really am 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': there is an ubuntu installer you can try 
'''''hieplq''''': @CarlosRuiz wdyt about my new shortcut handle in IDEMPIERE-2112. it's not complete but i will take time to improve it's accepted 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': hieplq, that's a big patch - thanks for working on that 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': in principle I haven't tested but looking at the code seems like a good approach to allow it configurable 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': how is it configured - via a properties file? or a theme file? 
'''''hieplq''''': to configuration, default it map with current shortcut. i will make a new form for configuration. 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': it can be a theme thing maybe 
'''''hieplq''''': i think it should store configuration in database and per user. 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': not sure end-user configuration of keyboard is the best in an ERP 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': firstly we are a lot restricted by the browser - a keyboard shortcut can work in a browser and be restricted in other 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': and many shortcuts don't work because the browser uses it at first 
'''''hieplq''''': because, let end-user test it in his prefer browse. 
'''''norbertbede''''': one note here: osx checking system wide shortcuts display "!" user cant save it 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': some of those configurable things can be corporate - defined by the implementor or IT 
'''''norbertbede''''': but understand general appraoch. 
'''''norbertbede''''': just FYI 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': or we can allow corporate - and if the implementor wants to give freedom to users then allow it on some installations 
'''''norbertbede''''': in this case i agree with carlos because could be wired… 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': same thinking about theme that norbertbede raised recently in forums 
'''''norbertbede''''': this could be useful around CRM i mean 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': some implementors would prefer to make it "implementor standard" - others want to allow a user to change it 
'''''norbertbede''''': because sales people are important and lazy :) 
'''''norbertbede''''': and CRMs quite open in this way 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': there is also another reason - for IT support 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': supporting one theme - is easier than supporting 10 themes selectable by users 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': same with shortcuts 
'''''hieplq''''': ok. configuration is extend part because will make interface to other can easy code by his method. 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': I'm ok with user-configurable things - just advising that we need to think also on implementors that want to disable such user-configurability and force i.e. one theme 
'''''hieplq''''': ok will do as that. 
'''''hieplq''''': please also help me review IDEMPIERE-2389. i'm tested patch from Deepak and it's work for me. 
'''''hieplq''''': remain some layout error report norbert, will fix when you merged it to core (just for don't confused my code) 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': ok, will try to check it 
'''''norbertbede''''': a question related to csv import 
'''''norbertbede''''': can i import e.g. products with 2 colunns 1. value 2. productcategoryvalues 
'''''norbertbede''''': with update option /key will be search key of product 
'''''norbertbede''''': dont want update all columns 
'''''norbertbede''''': wdyt 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': if I understood correctly that's the idea of update option 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': you want a file to update the product category searching by product value 
'''''norbertbede''''': yep 
'''''norbertbede''''': but want manipulate only 2 columns 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': yes 
'''''norbertbede''''': ah i see. thanks 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': that's the idea of update 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': for merge you need to have at least all mandatory columns without default - but for update is just the columns you need to update and the key 
'''''norbertbede''''': ok. 
'''''norbertbede''''': thanks well goint to test 
'''''aguerra''''': Hello Carlos 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': Hi Alejandro

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