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Full Meeting 2014-02-12


'''''CarlosRuiz''''': Good Morning 
'''''hengsin''''': Hi 
'''''Deepak''''': Good Morning/Evening 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': Hi Deepak 
'''''Deepak''''': Hello Carlos 
'''''PedroRozo''''': Good morning/afternoon everyone.. 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': Hi Pedro 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': I'll be working on the peer review queue 
'''''nmicoud''''': Bonjour ! 
'''''Not-001''''': [IDEMPIERE] carlosruiz_globalqss updated IDEMPIERE-1745 priority set to "Minor" 
'''''Not-001''''': [IDEMPIERE] http://idempiere.atlassian.net/browse/IDEMPIERE-1745 
'''''Not-001''''': [IDEMPIERE] carlosruiz_globalqss updated IDEMPIERE-1745 
'''''Not-001''''': [IDEMPIERE] Thanks Nicolas, I think it would be better to allow defaults with @ in the middle - but as there is a valid easy workaround the priority of the ticket can be lowered. 
'''''Not-001''''': [IDEMPIERE] http://idempiere.atlassian.net/browse/IDEMPIERE-1745 
'''''tbayen''''': Daarestiet :-) 
'''''tbayen''''': Hi PedroRozo , nice to see you :) 
'''''alaragh''''': Buenos dias!! 
'''''PedroRozo''''': thanks guys ...I glad to share with you that we will release the new smartpos 2.1 during the day ... many QA fixes, enhanced reliabilkity and resilency and includes the first release 100% linux (idempiere OSGi plugin, rabbitmq and our POS running and preliminary tested on centos 64bits) ,,,we will send more details in our release email during the afternoon .. 
'''''PedroRozo''''': also, for the next week. we will release the first version of the expected SmartPOS appliance: a virtual box appliance with centos linxu 64bis, postgres, idempiere, rabbitmq, and smartpos.. ready for testing and everything 100% open source, just want to share first with the idempeire community because we continue building on top of your great work... 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': good news PedroRozo 
'''''tbayen''''': Great, PedroRozo . I would like to test and review it it but there are other projects for the next weeks. :-( Later in the year I am sure I will come back to it. 
'''''tbayen''''': There are some directories that can (and in the end should) be taken out of the main trunk (e.g. translations, Swing, Jasper, ?!?). I want to do some experiments how this works. How should we deal with the mercuarial history of these files? Do we have to keep the whole iDempiere repo and delete everything else but e.g. german translation? That would lead to a rather big repo for every single part. Or can we abandon the history a 
'''''tbayen''''': nd just give a readme to see in the main trunk's history?!? 
'''''tbayen''''': wdyt? 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': you can a extract a mercurial folder with history 
'''''tbayen''''': Ah, ok? 
'''''PedroRozo''''': sure.Thoomas we will be glad to receive your feedback later,, that is why we will release a pre-configured an all-in-one - ready to go demo environment.(Appliance). so it would be easier to test everything just inside any virtualbox host. 
'''''tbayen''''': You can send me a box if you want. ;-) 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': I'm more the kind of "compile and run" guy - and in past have had problems trying to get all the pieces of SmartPOS 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': tbayen, must be something with hg convert with filemap 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': http://www.zachburlingame.com/2011/05/extract-directory-from-mercurial-repo-with-full-history/ 
'''''tbayen''''': Carlos, thanks for the hint. I am googling about it. I did not expect such a feature. 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': maybe we can start moving swing to be a plugin? and experiment with that approach 
'''''tbayen''''': Carlos - Pssst... I did not want to say this too loud. ;) 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': :-) I was talking about the dance -> "swing" 
'''''tbayen''''': And my opinion is that the translations are more a case to get out of the trunk. 
'''''tbayen''''': But yes - as I said yesterday: If you do not want to give me write access to the trunk it may be that I have to fork Swing. :-p 
'''''tbayen''''': But don't tell Norbert I am forking. 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': nope - won't be a fork 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': my expectation is that your repo will be the official swing 
'''''tbayen''''': Hmmm... This is a question of the meaning of "fork". Another question: Is iDempiere a fork or the official *empiere? And a last question: Who cares about that? 
'''''tbayen''''': If my work is good it will be "official". 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': yep in DVCS "official" is probably the "most followed" 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': but it could be several officials 
'''''tbayen''''': Swing in your trunk is "stable". Veeeery stable! 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': so, I know who cares about being "official" - the marketing guys :-D 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': BTW - did you see what happened with RedHat and CentOS? 
'''''tbayen''''': They are reunited and Redhat gave the "rebels" a good paid job. Hehe 
'''''aguerra_''''': Hello x everybody!!!! 
'''''Not-001''''': [IDEMPIERE] hieplq updated IDEMPIERE-1752 assignee set to "None" -labels set to "+Patch" -Attachment set to "IDEMPIERE-1752.patch" 
'''''Not-001''''': [IDEMPIERE] http://idempiere.atlassian.net/browse/IDEMPIERE-1752 
'''''Not-001''''': [IDEMPIERE] hieplq updated IDEMPIERE-1752 status set to "Peer Review Queue" 
'''''Not-001''''': [IDEMPIERE] http://idempiere.atlassian.net/browse/IDEMPIERE-1752 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': Hi aguerra_ 
'''''Not-001''''': [iDempiere] CarlosRuiz_globalqss pushed 2 commits to development [+6/-0/±7] https://bitbucket.org/idempiere/idempiere/commits/ 
'''''Not-001''''': [iDempiere] hengsin 26523ec - IDEMPIERE-1749 Add window event validator for AD_Window 
'''''Not-001''''': [iDempiere] globalqss 34a154e - IDEMPIERE-1749 Add window event validator for AD_Window / Integrate sample test case provided by hengsin 
'''''Not-001''''': [IDEMPIERE] carlosruiz_globalqss updated IDEMPIERE-1749 status set to "Resolved" -assignee set to "Heng Sin Low" -resolution set to "Fixed" 
'''''Not-001''''': [IDEMPIERE] Suggested for future improvement maybe add a navigation event (first/last/prev/next) and maybe cover also import, export, report? 
'''''Not-001''''': [IDEMPIERE] http://idempiere.atlassian.net/browse/IDEMPIERE-1749 
'''''hengsin''''': Pedro, does it work as a POS for fitnesse center ( membership, collect membership fee, sell fitnesse drinks and products, check in/check out for session ) ? 
'''''Not-001''''': [IDEMPIERE] hieplq updated IDEMPIERE-1749 
'''''Not-001''''': [IDEMPIERE] and also GridTab.loadDependentInfo for add more Env varial? 
'''''Not-001''''': [IDEMPIERE] http://idempiere.atlassian.net/browse/IDEMPIERE-1749 
'''''PedroRozo''''': Hensin ... product, services and the membership feed are managed as usual ... but more advanced membership requeirements , such as session control (attendance)...might require additional dev efforts 
'''''PedroRozo''''': if you don´t need the power of an ERP , or aynchronous communication behind the POS(our real advantages), perhaps a simple stand alone OBPOS fork like this http://www.unicenta.com/, migth be enough for your business scenario.. 
'''''tbayen''''': For my payment module I need a way to ask questions from a running process to the user (a password). There is no interface for that. Only for y/n questions. Is that true? 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': PedroRozo, is there a how-to-build guide? 
'''''tbayen''''': Or is there something advanced in zk I did not find yet? 
'''''tbayen''''': I only checked Swing 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': a process parameter? 
'''''tbayen''''': A parameter does not help. Depending on your bank there is a kind of challenge-response system used in germany. 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': ah, in such case I think you better write a form instead of a process 
'''''tbayen''''': Hmmm... ok. This will be my first form. Time to learn something new. :-) 
'''''PedroRozo''''': Carlos: Regarding build, we have two mercurial repositories: 1 for the idempiere OSGi.plug-in .. so any idempeire developer could build the plugin from there .. 2. a Netbeans project.. so just pulling the code and the provided databases (ready to go) you can build pos and ERP from scratch ... 
'''''PedroRozo''''': als we have release since 2.0 an step by step docs .. about how to setup rabbitmq .... and main configuration parameters in both ERP & POS sides .... 
'''''tbayen''''': Are there links to these resources in your proposed mail? Or is there a starting page? 
'''''PedroRozo''''': yes ...I will include those details (links) in the release message this afternoon, but everything is available in our forums and wiki as well here: http://sourceforge.net/projects/smart-pos/ for your reference : 
'''''tbayen''''': CarlosRuiz, what is a good example to start with developing a form? 
'''''tbayen''''': Thanks Pedro. :-) 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': good - I'll need to revisit that it 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': tbayen, in this case there is an online payment form that must be close to your need 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': all those forms that extend PaymentForm 
'''''PedroRozo''''': yes, your feedback will be appreciated.. 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': but don't know if that's your case - or you need a full form like WAllocation 
'''''tbayen''''': I tend to do it from scratch to know exactly what it does. I just need some understandable examples. Thanks for the pointers. 
'''''Not-001''''': [IDEMPIERE] hieplq updated IDEMPIERE-1751 assignee set to "None" -labels set to "+Patch" -Attachment set to "IDEMPIERE-1751.patch" 
'''''Not-001''''': [IDEMPIERE] http://idempiere.atlassian.net/browse/IDEMPIERE-1751 
'''''Not-001''''': [IDEMPIERE] hieplq updated IDEMPIERE-1751 status set to "Peer Review Queue" 
'''''Not-001''''': [IDEMPIERE] http://idempiere.atlassian.net/browse/IDEMPIERE-1751 
'''''PedroRozo''''': A quick request to Carlos, Hengsin or someone with workflwo backgroun, we have a quick question about how to include an approval node to a normal process_shipment workflow (it works for order and requisition but not for this process), hope you can take a look, we already replicated on : https://demo.idempiere.com/, and here the forum thread: https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=es#!topic/idempiere/MkEhKEvuB9I we would appreci 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': PedroRozo, it has to be with MInOut.getApprovalAmt 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': it returns zero 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': haven't tested but I think you could extend the MInOut class, override getApprovalAmt and let it return something different 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': and register your modified class as the model class for that table 
'''''PedroRozo''''': ok that means that any ERP document that doesn´t manage amounts (like this shipment) won´t work for approvals... with the current workflow processes right ? ...we will need to override that method in those ERP documents in the future as well... 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': it all depends on the getApprovalAmt on each doc class 
'''''PedroRozo''''': Understood Carlos, now to fix this PO class we used to perform those minor custom fixes to the core as customizations (customization.jar or zkcustomization before with Adempeire 3.6.1 withotu re-build everything) ... but now with Idempiere to override this core class only .. what is the suggested way to perform it without re-building everything from scratch, perhaps an OSGi fragment ? does it work for this PO classes similiar t 
'''''egil_ghintech''''': Good morning 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': Hi egil_ghintech 
'''''egil_ghintech''''': hi carlos. i have a question 
'''''egil_ghintech''''': payment allocation can be redirected on gl distribution? 
'''''egil_ghintech''''': the real problem is when i make a withholding on payment it alocate the payment on the invoice and use the writeoffamt to do this. it create gl entries on bp ajustment and not in the withholding tax account. 
'''''PedroRozo''''': Carlos .. we want just to clarify that we are trying to avoid core customizations with Idempiere, but in this case it looks like it is required to fix this wrong behavour of the MInOut for workflows, then is the OSG fragment an valid option to overriide this MInOut class ? or do you have any other suggestion/approach to fix core classes like this without re-building everything ?: 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': PedroRozo, as I advised above is not touching core 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': and is not a wrong behavior 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': :-) 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': IMHO is not wrong behavior as receipt is not expected to have an approval amount - your case sounds like a specific customer business case 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': but - as I said also above - I haven't tested - maybe it doesn't work 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': another approach would be to make the getApprovalAmt extensible in some way 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': I think it will work as the MWFActivity is using OSGi to get the PO class of the table 
'''''PedroRozo''''': ok --- now I understand. thanks Carlos 
'''''egil_ghintech''''': anyone can give me a sugesstion about mi question? 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': ah sorry - I missed the question 
'''''egil_ghintech''''': ok. payment allocation can be redirected on gl distribution? [11:31] <egil_ghintech> the real problem is when i make a withholding on payment it alocate the payment on the invoice and use the writeoffamt to do this. it create gl entries on bp ajustment and not in the withholding tax account. 
'''''egil_ghintech''''': this is in lco 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': the LCO moves the writeoff to the withholding account 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': for the amount of withholdings applicable on payment - and the excess is posted as usual on the bp adjustment account 
'''''egil_ghintech''''': ok. underestood. thanks. 
'''''egil_ghintech''''': but about gl distribution 
'''''egil_ghintech''''': can i do this? redirect alocation? 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': there is a ticket about that ... let me check 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': https://idempiere.atlassian.net/browse/IDEMPIERE-775 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': and there is also this ticket pending for feedback 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': https://idempiere.atlassian.net/browse/IDEMPIERE-1687 
'''''egil_ghintech''''': ok thank you for the help

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 '''''CarlosRuiz''''': I'll be working on the peer review queue <br>
 '''''nmicoud''''': Bonjour !<br>
 '''''tbayen''''': Daarestiet :-)<br>
 '''''tbayen''''': Hi PedroRozo , nice to see you :)<br>
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 '''''tbayen''''': They are reunited and Redhat gave the "rebels" a good paid job. Hehe<br>
 '''''aguerra_''''': Hello x everybody!!!!<br>
 '''''CarlosRuiz''''': Hi aguerra_ <br>
 '''''hengsin''''': Pedro, does it work as a POS for fitnesse center ( membership, collect membership fee, sell fitnesse drinks and products, check in/check out for session ) ?<br>
 '''''PedroRozo''''': Hensin ... product, services and the membership feed are managed as usual ... but more advanced membership requeirements , such as session control (attendance)...might require additional dev efforts<br>
 '''''PedroRozo''''': if you don´t need the power of an ERP , or aynchronous communication behind the POS(our real advantages), perhaps a simple stand alone OBPOS fork like this http://www.unicenta.com/, migth be enough for your business scenario..<br>
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 '''''CarlosRuiz''''': but don't know if that's your case - or you need a full form like WAllocation<br>
 '''''tbayen''''': I tend to do it from scratch to know exactly what it does. I just need some understandable examples. Thanks for the pointers.<br>
 '''''PedroRozo''''': A quick request to Carlos, Hengsin or someone with workflwo backgroun, we have a quick question about how to include an approval node to a normal process_shipment workflow (it works for order and requisition but not for this process), hope you can take a look, we already replicated on : https://demo.idempiere.com/, and here the forum thread:  https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=es#!topic/idempiere/MkEhKEvuB9I   we would appreci<br>
 '''''CarlosRuiz''''': PedroRozo, it has to be with MInOut.getApprovalAmt<br>

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