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[[IDempiere/Full Meeting Minutes|Full Meeting Minutes]] |
Full Meeting 2013-07-24


'''''@red1''''': Hello all 
'''''nmicoud''''': Bonjour 
'''''@red1''''': Just to inform that Carlos Ruiz is away today due to house moving 
'''''@red1''''': so we are now free :) 
'''''nmicoud''''': let's go the playa :)) 
'''''@red1''''': We can still discuss any issues 
'''''@red1''''': I am just back from Japan yesterday and a good outcome is that they be organising a Japanese conference next Spring next year hoping to invite our top contributors over 
'''''nmicoud''''': I've spoken with André Legendre about creating a French localization. He told me to see with you to geta brazilian module which handle taxes. And that it could be extented to French. That's sound possible ? 
'''''@red1''''': Yes, we did have Ricardo Santana over in Germany and we discuss the difficult path for them to convert to an OSGI plugin 
'''''@red1''''': hengsin did advice how to make a fork of iDempiere and began with their classes in it 
'''''@red1''''': when i was in Brazil after that Ricardo also met up and we discussed some details 
'''''@red1''''': I was not able to go over to Paris this time, and he told me about meeting up with u if i do together with Andre since we be all French :) 
'''''@red1''''': Andre's area is new to me and so i joined his Compiere-MfgScm project in 2005 hoping to learn from him 
'''''@red1''''': His technology is also interesting that he is using brokerless for messaging and his theory of shop floor production as distinct from ERP is enlightening 
'''''nmicoud''''': Hope we can meet next time you'll come in France 
'''''@red1''''': my only question to him is how come he has not submitted a full working model in code and documented since then 
'''''@red1''''': Yes, i am waiting for the trip planning from Slovakia which wants me back there soon 
'''''@red1''''': I hope to land in Germany again and from there can move to the rest over two months 
'''''nmicoud''''': great 
'''''@red1''''': December i plan to be in mhernandezve place - Venezuela and of course Brazil in January for the carnival :) 
'''''nmicoud''''': :)) 
'''''@red1''''': The last year i was in France some community contacted me 
'''''@red1''''': there seems to be some French versions and i was hoping they meet but i hear no news 
'''''@red1''''': So i guess you are the only one to play the role as reference point :) 
'''''nmicoud''''': Hope this time, it will achieve 
'''''nmicoud''''': :) 
'''''@red1''''': Also i like to say that i have done the server-side model of the SFAndroid module from Venezuela as a plugin 
'''''nmicoud''''': ah! great! 
'''''@red1''''': i hope to grasp the mobile side and document its deployment and testing 
'''''@red1''''': i am in close commuication with its lead developer Yamel Senih 
'''''@red1''''': the challenge was to first understand their model 
'''''mhernandezve''''': Hi all! 
'''''@red1''''': they also use DynamicTree which modify one class in ADempiere to allow dynamic menu 
'''''@red1''''': Hola miguel ! :) 
'''''nmicoud''''': hi 
'''''@red1''''': Miguel is translating my documents to Spanish 
'''''nmicoud''''': ok 
'''''mhernandezve''''': The next version would be ready tomorrow 
'''''mhernandezve''''': With the last changes 
'''''mhernandezve''''': My next mission is translate the assets maintenance plug in documentation 
'''''mhernandezve''''': My team is here, alara and egil0902 
'''''allgood''''': hi red1 
'''''allgood''''': I've started to port the brazilian code to idempiere... more as a learning proccess than a product upgrade. it is really impossible to do it without a fork! 
'''''@red1''''': Good allgood :) 
'''''allgood''''': we have too much changes on core classes 
'''''@red1''''': and i find few things from my travels about our community: 
'''''@red1''''': 1) They have to document their work. 
'''''allgood''''': for now I migrated only the code that can be used as plugins 
'''''@red1''''': Many asked me to review their work but without a document i just cannot begin to think about it 
'''''@red1''''': 2) Free is not Free lunch 
'''''@red1''''': Do not sell iDempiere as a no-need-to-pay for it deal 
'''''@red1''''': sell real consulting advice on top of it 
'''''allgood''''': my work are on bitbucket already, but I emphasize that it is not official, it is more for me to learn how to do it... probably will have to redo it officialy 
'''''@red1''''': Japan gave me a series of interviews and they seem to accept that and hope they get Toyota to take a look at it 
'''''@red1''''': After Spring conference and closing of top deals, Japan is set to host international conferences for iDempiere team 
'''''@red1''''': Japan is conservative country and mindset, very careful but highly advanced 
'''''@red1''''': language is a major barrier 
'''''@red1''''': so they agreed to publish important documentation such as user guide and testing results in Nippon-Go 
'''''@red1''''': allgood: did you communicate this in the LBR project forum ? 
'''''@red1''''': You can use the Brazil page of our wiki. I always introduce each country to each language page to work on 
'''''allgood''''': i did talked to some peers about it, but it is very difficult to sincronize time between us 
'''''allgood''''': i did not used the LBR forum because it is hosted on adempiere project 
'''''@red1''''': So that is why we have to publish it in some forum 
'''''@red1''''': LBR is at the moment on ADempiere and you can ask Ricardo the roadmap to iDempiere 
'''''allgood''''': I will do that. 
'''''@red1''''': KENOS forum is the defacto representative of iDempiere too. We had meetings already 
'''''@red1''''': welcome back allgood 
'''''@red1''''': and mhernandezve 
'''''mhernandezve''''': I'm back 
'''''@red1''''': many countries are still in ADempiere version and making transitions to iDempiere 
'''''@red1''''': some start anew in iDempiere 
'''''@red1''''': and we advice on another new point.. 
'''''@red1''''': 3) Do not brand iDempiere but your own distro of the project 
'''''@red1''''': KENOS is a distro 
'''''@red1''''': it is free to use any ERP 
'''''@red1''''': (KENOS is the example from Brazil) 
'''''@red1''''': i Venezuela it is Oralndo Curieless team in Barquisemeto and Miguel Hernandez team in another city, Cunama 
'''''egil0902''''': back in the meeting. was in the enterview looking for the new son of idempiere hi to every one 
'''''@red1''''': have i got that right mhernandezve ? 
'''''@red1''''': Hi egil0902 where from? 
'''''egil0902''''': eduardo gil from ghintech 
'''''egil0902''''': cumama 
'''''egil0902''''': bussiness partenr of the rigth mhernandez ve 
'''''@red1''''': Ok egil0902 is in Miguel's team in Cumama. And the other is Orlando 
'''''@red1''''': And please publish in our wiki.idempiere.org Spanish section 
'''''@red1''''': muchas gracias for coming egil0902 and mhernandezve too :D 
'''''alara''''': hi is not cunama or cumama is Cumana 
'''''egil0902''''': thanks men. alara its from our team too 
'''''alara''''': hi red1 
'''''egil0902''''': not. is in barcelona 
'''''egil0902''''': with me 
'''''@red1''''': alara: Jose? 
'''''@red1''''': nmicoud: u asksed about centralized ID 
'''''@red1''''': u understand that now? I do not really use that in my 2Pack.. so i wonder if that issue arise when u plugin back new 2Packs in iDempiere 
'''''alara''''': no, Angel Lara 
'''''@red1''''': i dont look into that issue because i assume later anyone can parse IDs 
'''''@red1''''': Ok the guy Angel :D 
'''''nmicoud''''': @red1: what do you mean about centralized id ? 
'''''@red1''''': This one https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/idempiere/ldyTJv7ObQM 
'''''@red1''''': Done your documentation in Spanish alara ? 
'''''@red1''''': Looking forward to see your Human Talent plugin 
'''''nmicoud''''': it'is a theoritical question ; 
'''''nmicoud''''': if i create (manually or though plugin) element/column/field based on firstName, lastName... (with id > 100000) and later those objets are integrated in migration scripts, it will generate big issues 
'''''alara''''': i'm starting with that, you'll see my work soon @red1 :) 
'''''nmicoud''''': I guess that before applying migration script, i need to uninstall properly the plugin (or partially) and only then execute official sql scripts 
'''''@red1''''': alara: good.. i will tell Hugo Chavez! 
'''''egil0902''''': jaja maybe you see him like a bird too 
'''''egil0902''''': maduro saw him like that 
'''''@red1''''': nmicoud: u mean to turn the Centralized ID on and then apply the 2pack? 
'''''nmicoud''''': no 
'''''hengsin''''': nmicoud, if you started with uuid, then there wouldn't be issue of duplicate 
'''''hengsin''''': the uuid unique index will stop the duplicate record from being inserted to your db 
'''''nmicoud''''': means that the uuid from my local base will be the same as the uuid from your base ? 
'''''@red1''''': i think yes if it come from the same base or source 
'''''@red1''''': UUID is never repeated when created again 
'''''@red1''''': if i get that right 
'''''@red1''''': but if it already has an UUID, it stays 
'''''@red1''''': and brought over as the FK to any reference record 
'''''nmicoud''''': so, if i create an element 'FirstName' which will have ID = 1000010 and uuid = "f456z4f65ze..." 
'''''hengsin''''': nmicoud, if you pack out record with uuid and you pack it in again, the id change but the uuid stay 
'''''nmicoud''''': then, if a migration script come with an element 'FirstName' with ID = 200100 and uuid = "njgborng55..." 
'''''nmicoud''''': what will happen ? 
'''''@red1''''': hengsin: so if i pack in without UUID, a new UUID is created right? 
'''''nmicoud''''': when importing the package 
'''''hengsin''''': so for your question in the forum, the id will change to official id but the uuid will remain as it is. 
'''''hengsin''''': red1, yes. 
'''''nmicoud''''': so, id will be overwritten ? 
'''''hengsin''''': no, the migration script will failed :) 
'''''nmicoud''''': ah yes 
'''''nmicoud''''': :) ; so i need to first uninstall package or delete those 'duplicate' objects 
'''''nmicoud''''': in order that the migration script will be a success 
'''''hengsin''''': that's how it is now. we can make it better in future but just explaining the current situation. 
'''''nmicoud''''': seems ok to me. We just have to prefix our own "objects" 
'''''@red1''''': So UUID is for all intents, the new PK? 
'''''@red1''''': and all core code needs to refer to that? 
'''''nmicoud''''': i think id are for core, uuid are for extension 
'''''@red1''''': nmicoud: i see, thanks for the tip 
'''''nmicoud''''': uuid could also be used to export/import translations for objects with id >= 1000000. 
'''''nmicoud''''': https://idempiere.atlassian.net/browse/IDEMPIERE-1025 
'''''@red1''''': in short, anything will be injected with UUID in the new iDempiere 
'''''nmicoud''''': yep 
'''''hengsin''''': uuid is the critical element for extensions support 
'''''nmicoud''''': talking about uuid, wdyt of the patch submitted on https://idempiere.atlassian.net/browse/IDEMPIERE-868 (which modify the index name of uu on oracle database) ? 
'''''@red1''''': allgood: i read your post in LBR forum http://forum.kenos.com.br/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=1043 
'''''@red1''''': It is good :) 
'''''@red1''''': As long as the language is communal and your work is contributive and invite collaboration, then u can take some lead 
'''''@red1''''': leadership of effort is based on merit 
'''''Not-005''''': [IDEMPIERE] richardmh updated IDEMPIERE-1187 assignee set to "Richard Morales Herrera" 
'''''Not-005''''': [IDEMPIERE] http://idempiere.atlassian.net/browse/IDEMPIERE-1187 
'''''hengsin''''': nmicoud, don't have oracle instance available to test that now. I guess you will have to wait for carlos on that one. 
'''''nmicoud''''': ok, thanks 
'''''nmicoud''''': gtg ; bye bye 
'''''Not-005''''': [IDEMPIERE] richardmh updated IDEMPIERE-1187 Attachment set to "IDEMPIERE-1187.patch"

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 '''''@red1''''': As long as the language is communal and your work is contributive and invite collaboration, then u can take some lead<br>
 '''''@red1''''': leadership of effort is based on merit<br>
 '''''hengsin''''': nmicoud, don't have oracle instance available to test that now. I guess you will have to wait for carlos on that one.<br>
 '''''nmicoud''''': ok, thanks<br>
 '''''nmicoud''''': gtg ; bye bye<br>

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