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'''''CarlosRuiz''''': Good Morning&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''nmicoud''''': Bonjour&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''tbayen''''': Daarestiet! ;-)&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': I've been doing peer review of pending queue :-)     nice to see long list&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': nmicoud, IDEMPIERE-976 is about being able to programatically set a title for error windows?&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''tbayen''''': Yesterday I showed my wife how to do bug reports with bonfire. This morning the bug was solved. Nice to see the community working like a wizard. ;-)&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''nmicoud''''': yes, you can define a title ; otherwise, it is the brower title which is shown&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''nmicoud''''': this was available for warn but not for error&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''hengsin''''': Hi Thomas&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''tbayen''''': Hi hengsin :-)&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': Just creating ticket IDEMPIERE-978 proposing redesign of city tab on country window - do you think is ok?&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''xolali''''': Halooo everybody&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': Hi Anthony&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''nmicoud''''': i think OR is the default region ; maybe it's just related to a hardcoded thing ?&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': wondering if is ok to allow creating cities without region - when the country states that uses region&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''tbayen''''': Hello Anthony!&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''nmicoud''''': if the region is mandatory, it shouldn't ; otherwise, yes&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': in db is not mandatory&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': because you can have the two scenarios - countries with region - and countries without region and allowing to capture cities&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''nmicoud''''': you can use CaptureSequence field in country to set it mandatory or not&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': doing a test here ....&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': you're right - both are allowed&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': I'll rephrase my proposal ....&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': changed the last tab to:&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': ** Cities without Region (shown always. Filtered for cities without Region and with region read-only defaulting to -1)&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': what we have in the compiere design is a table that has two optional parents - so the proposal is to make that design clear and safe&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''nmicoud''''': ok ; no need to show region if not required. But it should be done according to the content of the SequenceCapture&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''nmicoud''''': Talking about countries and cities ; i've been asked to add a tab on this window : departments. Don't know if this is used in other countries. In France there is about 100 departments. One department has a name and a code (numeric) which consists of the first 2 digits of the zip. Could it be considered as a general requirement ?&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': do you mean subdivisions of regions?  or subdivision of cities?&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''nmicoud''''': subdivision of regions&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''nmicoud''''': but that (subdivision of cities) could also be done&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': I know Mexico has subdivision of cities - but don't know about other countries - here we don't have that&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''tbayen''''': In germany we have many different zip codes in one city. Is it like that?&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''nmicoud''''': For instance, in Paris, Lyon or Marseille, you find 'arrondissements'. Each one will have it own zipcode (75001, 75002, ...)&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''nmicoud''''': i guess&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': I see compiere made country a tree table&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': maybe that could be solved making region a tree?&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''nmicoud''''': what do you mean &amp;quot;country a tree table&amp;quot; ?&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': here -&amp;gt; https://demo.compiere.com/apps/Compiere.html&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': you can check Country window&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''frankiefigs''''': user/pass&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''frankiefigs''''': ?&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''nmicoud''''': same&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''nmicoud''''': System/System&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''frankiefigs''''': thxs&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''nmicoud''''': could be done that way, but the best of the best would be to combine all tables (country, regions, cities, ...) in a big tree&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''tbayen''''': I do not like this idea. A country is not the same as a city. It does not belong to the same table.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''nmicoud''''': i mean a new kind of trees, which could provide nodes from 3 or 4 tables.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': nmicoud, back to FDialog - maybe for consistency we can do the same for info&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''nmicoud''''': sure - i do not check if it was present for it&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''nmicoud''''': i can do it if you want and submit a new patch&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''hengsin''''': what's the thing with FDialog ?&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''nmicoud''''': you can't define your own title, it's always the browser title which is used (for error and info)&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''hengsin''''': ic&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''nmicoud''''': a colleague has set up a jenkins and use buckminster 4.2 (he did not find 3.6). Then he got errors when building. Have you succeed to build with 4.2 ?&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''a42niem''''': hi all&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''tbayen''''': I use often buckminster for a headless build and install. It works well with 4.2&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''nmicoud''''': ok, so there must be an error in the command lines; thanks&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''tbayen''''': I have a makefile for that. Interested?&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': Hi Dirk&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''nmicoud''''': sure :)&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''tbayen''''': https://bitbucket.org/tbayen/smallprojects/src/tip/scripts/Makefile&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''nmicoud''''': thanks a lot&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''tbayen''''': I would like a script like this as a community build script. But this is only tested by me. Perhaps it can be a starting point. TEll me if you improve it.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''nmicoud''''': ok, i'll give you feedback&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''hengsin''''': someone needs to work harder to catch up to the platform :)&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''tbayen''''': Is the project jenkins and demo server on the same machine? If not - why? Is there a bottleneck?!?&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''tbayen''''': Hi red1!&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''red1''''': Ola everyone from Brazil ! :D&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''xolali''''': Haloo red1!!&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''red1''''': Sorry i forgot all about it (again!)&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''hengsin''''': from coconut tree :)&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''red1''''': Yo my man.. xolali&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''red1''''': Yes Edilson took alot of coconuts down yesterday&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''red1''''': but we only ate one&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''red1''''': IF you want me to report about Zurich company meeting i can also&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''red1''''': Also Slovakia&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''red1''''': Just concluded meeting here in Fortaleza with owner of the company and supporter of iDempiere.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': TkTech hook for IRC notifico is not working today  :-(&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': and twitter notifications were not working since apr 19 - but now are working again&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''red1''''': xolali: you on Skype? Can we talk about WebServices?&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''red1''''': You have to teach me! I already cleaned up the SFAndroid code as a plugin&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''red1''''': and i can coach u back what to do next&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''xolali''''': yes we can&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''tbayen''''': You can discuss this here. I am interested in mobile &amp;amp; WebServices too. ;-) (or join the skype...)&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''red1''''': Ok.. then i proceed here&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''red1''''': First let me go the rest room and then get some coffee&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''red1''''': brb&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''red1''''': OK.. first you should have iDempiere ready in Eclipse&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''red1''''': then create an empty plugin project&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''red1''''': i will commit the project i did into my bitbucket&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''red1''''': so you dont have to do it and we can continue proofing from there&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''tbayen''''': Why do you need a plugin? Is the webservices interface not enough?&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''red1''''': Ah... smart student&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''red1''''': challenging the plugin guru here :D&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''tbayen''''': 8^)&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''red1''''': now u know i am more dumb&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''red1''''': So i was going to explain that SFAndroid is from the legacy&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''red1''''': so its old and will break in few places&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''red1''''': and we want to see how we can absolve all including the need of the plugin&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''tbayen''''': ok&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''red1''''': so i have thought of the same thing as my smart apprentice here :D&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''red1''''': so now i graciously hand over the class to him. :P&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''xolali''''': is the plugin project not for SFAndriod custom code??&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''red1''''': Yes that is what we want to find out&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''red1''''': by examining the code up close&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''xolali''''': ok&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''red1''''': OK how do i commit to my bitbucket&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''red1''''': Should i just push?&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''red1''''': or create the folder at bitbucket first&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''tbayen''''': Do you want it to be a new project (a new repository)? Or inside an existing repository like &amp;quot;smallprojects&amp;quot; or such?&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''red1''''': i am putting it here https://bitbucket.org/red1/&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''red1''''': Perhaps we can suggest a new name instead of SFAndroid&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''red1''''': its supposed to be a SalesForce.com app&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''red1''''': as explained before after learning from a few mistakes... such app is difficult to convert&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''red1''''': as its a huge mix of Spanish terms within&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''red1''''': so we can think of a basic core AndroidApp plugin&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''tbayen''''': I would create a new (empty) repository on bitbucket, clone this to my local machine, copy my files into the clone directory, commit &amp;amp; push. Don't know if you can create a bitbucket repository by cloning to bitbucket.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''red1''''': call it iAndroid?&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''red1''''': or we can follow CarlosRuiz way of naming the mobile = org.idempiere.iuimobile&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': spanish terms are not the problem - we can translate - but I think the use case is very specific for one singe customer/purpose&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''red1''''': we can call this org.idempiere.android&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''red1''''': si, i want to remove all specific cases in this very basic plugin&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''tbayen''''': I would not say &amp;quot;iAndroid&amp;quot;. It is too specific for that name. Better call it something with &amp;quot;SalesForce&amp;quot;.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''red1''''': so that it can be reused by tbayen&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''red1''''': then SF can be an add on to that&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''red1''''': it has some API to the ADempiere models&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''red1''''': maybe i take those only&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''red1''''': or we name it org.android.*?&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''tbayen''''': ok. If you believe this could work as a starting point. I thought it would be better to start from scratch but I did not really look into the code yet. :-(&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''red1''''': yes we are in a way doing from scratch&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''red1''''': just borrowing from how SF does it&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''red1''''': i am thinking of same with Libero Mfg next&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''xolali''''': since we are basing this work on SFAndroid why dont we just maintain the name, to preserve thier earlier work&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''red1''''': but i am not going to do that&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''red1''''': its too specific&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''red1''''': like LiVE&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''red1''''': better follow the plugin philosophy&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''red1''''': break up into smaller fragments&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''red1''''': easier building blocks&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''red1''''': maximise reusability&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': there are two different projects there -&amp;gt; one is android code - the other is some modified webservices plus webservices definition&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''red1''''': Ok. for SFAndroid clean up i will commit as SFAndroid&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''red1''''': later i will extract a scratch plugin&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': the android side is not a plugin - is an android app&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''tbayen''''': At the end there should be no plugin project for that. If there is something wrong with webservices we should repair that. I see no reason for an extension here.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''red1''''': That i don't  know about that yet&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''red1''''': I am still comparing .. slowly&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''red1''''': and SF modified the MenuTree&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''red1''''': so i remembered hengsin talked about wrapping from Interface of Tree etc&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''xolali''''': So the custom code we are talking about here is SFAndriod server side code modifications and webservices definitions&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': tbayen, agree - plugin maybe is just the 2pack to create the ws config&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''red1''''': good idea&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''red1''''': SF modified MClient and MClientInfo&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''TkTech''''': CarlosRuiz: Twitter? What? :|&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''TkTech''''': CarlosRuiz: I've never done twitter, am I missing something?&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': sorry TkTech - I mean we have some hookups on bitbucket - twitter is working (it was not working since april 19)&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': and the other hookup is notifico - but that's not working today (yesterday was working)&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''TkTech''''': Hmm.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': red1 - we need to check why they modified client - probably sysconfig will be a better approach for an extension&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''TkTech''''': CarlosRuiz: Not-001 -&amp;gt; Not-023 are all reporting okay, I can see successful messages from Not-002 in about a dozen other channels&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''red1''''': They have their own Menu Tree structure CarlosRuiz&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''red1''''': and properties&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''TkTech''''': CarlosRuiz: The next time you make a commit can you make sure the message counter on your project increments? If it doesn't, that means it's never getting your hooks.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''TkTech''''': (Which is possible, github and bitbucket sometimes have issues with their hooks)&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': ok - I'll do a commit right now&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''red1''''': like setupClientInfo.. they intoduce some more IDs&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''red1''''': SF_MenuList_ID, SF_SyncMenuList_ID&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''tbayen''''': CarlosRuiz, does the new importer feature work with locations (addresses)?&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': TkTech, just made a commit and the counter didn't increment - still in 309 - Not-002 is here but not nofying&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''TkTech''''': CarlosRuiz: The counter always increments, even if an error occurs processing the message.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''TkTech''''': CarlosRuiz: That means bitbucket isn't sending the commit to notifico&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': :-(  yes, seems like is not sending the POST also to JIRA&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': tbayen, yes, importing locations work&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': thanks TkTech for your help on finding the cause&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''tbayen''''': thx. I will do some testing with heavy data the next days.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''TkTech''''': CarlosRuiz: Any time, thanks for using it! In the future you might get a quicker response in #notifico since there are other contributors that could help you.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''xolali''''': Hengsin&amp;gt;&amp;gt; i've been trying to figure out changing the zk theme using fragment, do you have any sample files&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''nmicoud''''': @xolali: you can refer here : http://wiki.idempiere.org/wiki/Add_your_theme ; and you can just duplicate the 'default' theme&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''xolali''''': Wow, tnx a lot&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''tbayen''''': We recommend not to use the name &amp;quot;iDempiere&amp;quot; for a production site. Is there a documentation how to rebrand the software? This is not &amp;quot;theme&amp;quot;, isn't it?&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''nmicoud''''': if you talk about the label of the browser name, you can refer to the last line of http://wiki.idempiere.org/wiki/Add_your_theme&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''tbayen''''': Yes, that is one of the things for a branding. But we should be able to change all places where iDempiere and the logo is used (and shown to the user).&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': tbayen, if you're a &amp;quot;do it yourself&amp;quot; user - I think is ok to use idempiere vanilla (knowing the risks)&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''hengsin''''': nmicoud - unfortunately, I don't have any sample that I can share now. mostly is about changing css and image file&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''nmicoud''''': hum, what is idempiere vanilla ?&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': I agree the recommendation to create distros is for implementors - please don't sell &amp;quot;idempiere vanilla&amp;quot; implementations - create your own distro and brand it&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanilla_software&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''hengsin''''': vanilla - means with no customization&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''nmicoud''''': ok, thanks&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''hengsin''''': stock android :)&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''hengsin''''': the nexus experience :) seems not as stable as my samsung touch wiz tough.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''xolali''''': i intend using idempiere vanilla without theme settings in an environment like mine,&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''xolali''''': but for private implementations i would go for a branded distro&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': yep, I like that approach&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''tbayen''''': If we have a kind of &amp;quot;best practice&amp;quot; for a distro branding people will not more ask about making a big brand and a business out of idempiere.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''tbayen''''': ;-)&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''tbayen''''': Ok - to be true: The WILL keep asking - no matter what we are giving as best practice. ;-)&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''xolali''''': red1: i can see anything here https://bitbucket.org/red1/org.idempiere.sfandroid&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''tbayen''''': copy, commit, push?&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''xolali''''': i mean i cant see any files there, i thought he was pushing the files there&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''tbayen''''': red1, did you push something?&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''nmicoud''''': Any idea for removing the blank item from a list within a form ? (https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/idempiere/goxENMOzLp0)&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''red1''''': tbayen: it was pushed wrongly before lunch&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''red1''''': now i am back i am pushing correctly&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''tbayen''''': nmicoud, which kind of form? A window? zk or swing?&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''nmicoud''''': zk&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''nmicoud''''': form like 'payment allocate' ; not a standard window&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''tbayen''''': Hmmm.... not my specialty. :-( Aren't these forms made of handcrafted gui elements?&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''nmicoud''''': I'm using a WTableDirEditor with a lookup based on a List (AD_Ref_List).&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''tbayen''''': Sorry - no clue of zk.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''nmicoud''''': :(&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': making it mandatory must erase that blank element (at least that's what I would expect)&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': but in zk you can always clear the value with the delete key and you'll have the empty element&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''nmicoud''''': yep, but it's not&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''nmicoud''''': Seems that WTableDirEditor always add a blank item&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': maybe you can check WInvoiceGen&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': create your own Listbox like the cmbDocType there&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''nmicoud''''': yeah, but i don't like the look of it&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''nmicoud''''': fOrg could be set to mandatory or not ; there is always a blank value&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': if you want to prevent empty value I guess that listbox is the way - on editor you can always clear the value&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''nmicoud''''': clear the value is one thing, but allowing a blank value is another, no ?&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': visually is different but the result is the same&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''nmicoud''''': yep&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''nmicoud''''': user don't know they can use backspace key&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''nmicoud''''': they always use mouse&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': they'll find the way - your code must control that  :-)&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': creative users &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''nmicoud''''': yes, absolutely&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''nmicoud''''': :))&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''nmicoud''''': if there was only 2 items (real items), that would be better i think. wasn't it configurable before ?&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''''nmicoud''''': moreover, i think its better using same editors as windows. Maybe we could use the same popup menu in the future (http://jira.idempiere.com/browse/IDEMPIERE-979)&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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