CarlosRuiz: full meeting

2012-08-08T15:05:35Z

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Full Meeting 2012-08-08


'''''CarlosRuiz''''': morning 
'''''a42niem''''': morning Carlos, not so much sleep today hm... 
'''''mzuniga_ergio''''': good morning 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': :-) not much 
'''''nmicoud''''': Bonjour 
'''''a42niem''''': hi Nicolas, sorry i did not find time up to now to work on the included role stuff 
'''''nmicoud''''': Carlos, we try to complete ticket 332 today ? 
'''''nmicoud''''': not a problem Dirk, it can be done later 
'''''a42niem''''': good 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': guys, have you seen all the movement that iDempiere code have had? 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': I'll be glad to explain any new feature - and will be happy with your feedback and tests 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': I have tried to install periodically on demo.idempiere.com to show how everything works 
'''''nmicoud''''': demo.idempiere.com seems down :( 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': ah - I'm upgrading it just now :-) 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': some changes yesternight 
'''''Pavol''''': Hi, did you check this forum topic? https://groups.google.com/d/topic/idempiere/kQ8dAUtTv3s/discussion 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': not yet - I checked and Heng Sin has been too busy 
'''''nmicoud''''': I've seen that 'Move the menu to be a portlet' is related to ticket 1001002 ; i guess that there are others tickets ; what are they related to ? Vancouver convention ? 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': yes - all this work was planned on Vancouver - and there are lots coming - we think at least for next 4 months we'll be moving a lot of stuff that we always wanted to fix or improve 
'''''nmicoud''''': Is it possible to have access to this list ? 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': well - we're opening the tickets on JIRA for each work - but I think it's better if we open all the planned 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': I'll work on that 
'''''nmicoud''''': great, maybe some stuff have already been fixed by someone or where planned to be 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': the recent changes are mostly related to login way and dashboard 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': in login window we added "Select Role" flag - if disabled then the user will login directly without asking for role/org/wh - just use the previous 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': and we're making some additional changes to improve login on multi-tenant installations - using the email instead of name to login 
'''''nmicoud''''': i love it this one ! 
'''''nmicoud''''': Actually, we must use same login and password to do this 
'''''nmicoud''''': So it means that you have te create user on System ? 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': yes - the issue is that a name cannot identify uniquely a person - but an email can 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': that yes was for the previous line :-) 
'''''nmicoud''''': But creating a System user can't produce issue ? 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': you can create the users the usual way - just that email will be used to identify instead of name - this will be configurable and backward compatible because there are many installations not using email actually 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': the other big changes has been improving password management 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': we brought and improved password one-way hashing from Adaxa AUS 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': now you can have hashed with salt SHA-512 passwords - very safe - cannot be decoded - and even you can encrypt that :-) 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': and we just finished implementing password policies management 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': using vt-password library - you can choose policies about not-allowing sequences - about number of characters required per type - check against a dictionary - check for username and white spaces 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': and the third big changes has been on dashboard (still changes in progress) 
'''''nmicoud''''': Sound great ! actually, when password are not linked with AD, it is often 'compiere'/'adempiere' or things really easy ; a nice enhancement 
'''''nmicoud''''': See that it is possible to show a report on dashboard 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': yep - report embedded on dashboard - and you can pass parameters - even context variables 
'''''a42niem''''': oh wow 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': and you can use HTML portlets too - for example to make announcements 
'''''nmicoud''''': or maintenance ? 
'''''nmicoud''''': we talked about that some weeks ago 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': yep, and a calendar port was added by trekglobal - it shows the requests in a calendar way 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': we also made the left portion of the screen another collapsible portlet container - so instead of having the menu there - we plan to have the recent items and favourites 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': actually the menu is a portlet - but we plan to change that to be a popup window better 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': the lookup was moved to header - so you can still look on the menu even if the left panel is collapsed 
'''''nmicoud''''': also seen that the lookup has been moved ; why that ? 
'''''nmicoud''''': :) great, i see the interest! 
'''''nmicoud''''': demo.idempiere.com is back ! 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': :-) yes - I was writing about :-) 
'''''nmicoud''''': reading in your mind :-) 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': ah - do you see that little icon beside the favourites and windows on menu? 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': that's a shortcut to open the window in "New Record" mode 
'''''nmicoud''''': great improvement! 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': you can also create new dashboards directly with performance indicators 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': and you can configure dashboards specific for a role or for a user 
'''''nmicoud''''': on the calendar, next to the refresh, there is a little calendar button, his tooltip is 'Google Calendar' whereas it maximises 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': :-) probably the tooltip is wrong - I'll check that 
'''''nmicoud''''': Yep, related to the description of Calendar DAshboard 
'''''nmicoud''''': dashboards can't be moved ? 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': nope - that was a consequence of migrating to zk6 
'''''a42niem''''': i like the menu configuration options 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': but you can configure the positioning in the dashboard window 
'''''red1''''': but we can still use the same old 'adempiere' password for training purposes? :D 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': sure - backward compatible 
'''''nmicoud''''': click on 'Expand Tree' button, screen seems blocked on 'processing' (Script : https://demo.idempiere.com:8443/webui/zkau/web/a532478f/js/zk.wpd;jsessionid=B2D67B236FB520904D017496ECF24ECB:9) 
'''''a42niem''''': same problem here 
'''''red1''''': thanks for such great improvements.. is Vancouver in the citizenship list? 
'''''red1''''': :D 
'''''nmicoud''''': F5 to refresh seems to resolve problem 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': expand worked here - I guess the load for the server was too high :-D is a little server 
'''''a42niem''''': reloading the whole page repairs it 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': you're in sync 
'''''a42niem''''': :) 
'''''red1''''': I plan to implement this for OB POS at a friend's shop 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': I organized the portlets more like we want this to be seen - menu collapsed/favourites/recent on the left 
'''''red1''''': i was asked about security from the user.. so i can now boast about this new change 
'''''red1''''': and i will show it in Japan next month 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': yes - I think those hashed passwords are very safe now 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': and combined with password policies you can control that users don't choose "mary" as password :-) 
'''''red1''''': but superuser can still refresh if the user forgets? 
'''''red1''''': or it be good to have the famous 'send password' to email 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': yes - via "Reset Password" it can be set by a different user - and SuperUser is not asked for the previous pwd 
'''''red1''''': hm ces't parfait 
'''''red1''''': this really makes users at ease 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': the "forgot my password" feature is on the planned features 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': the other two big usability improvements are from Nicolas and Hesham: 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': simplified GL Journal and more usable Info Product window 
'''''red1''''': Hesham or hahmed? 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': :-) I just created an announcement portlet on demo :-) 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': Hesham = hahmed - right 
'''''nmicoud''''': iDempiere rocks!! :D 
'''''a42niem''''': is the content probably dynamic? 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': yes - I guess you can link to an html content 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': externally 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': haven't tested but seems possible 
'''''a42niem''''': veeeery nice 
'''''red1''''': iDempiere rocks!! 
'''''red1''''': ADempiere sucks!! 
'''''red1''''': * just testing * 
'''''nmicoud''''': ^^ 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': just added another portlet with a performance indicator 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': and an embedded report 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': JEJEJE - forever!!! 
'''''red1''''': The business partner detail is nice.. but is it permanent? 
'''''a42niem''''': ;) 
'''''nmicoud''''': JEJEJE = ??? 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': hehehe (spanish) 
'''''nmicoud''''': ah ok 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': ah - got it - "je" is different meaning in french 
'''''nmicoud''''': Yep, Je = I in english 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': je ne quitte pas 
'''''red1''''': oui oui 
'''''nmicoud''''': 'Ne me quitte pas' is the song from Jacques Brel 
'''''red1''''': is there a config for dashboard? 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': yes - window "Dashboard Content Edit" 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSfc662vXZU 
'''''nmicoud''''': yep ! 
'''''a42niem''''': in the calendar i see "rewr" as an entry for tomorrow, when i click on it i get a pop up with details but there is no "rewr". is it the title? 
'''''red1''''': so the calendar is integrated to Request? That is new isnt it? 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': hmm - maybe I changed it 
'''''red1''''': it wasn't there in adempiere 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': idempiere 0.1 release 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': requests 
'''''red1''''': we can call this "Vancouver Release" 
'''''a42niem''''': look at history of request 10000000, there you have "rewr" in the summary 
'''''a42niem''''': but the popup does not show any summary content 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': is not refreshing? 
'''''a42niem''''': when i change the content of the summary in the popup, i get iDempiere 0.1 as new title and additionaly i see "+2 more" 
'''''a42niem''''': maybe it alway creates a new one when you enter sth in the popup 
'''''a42niem''''': looks like i need some classes to handle it correctly 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': seems like something strange is there - it's showing the same task twice here 
'''''red1''''': i see +3 more 1 more 
'''''red1''''': idempiere 0.1 release is 3 times 
'''''red1''''': twice on thursday and once on friday.. 
'''''red1''''': not bad 
'''''a42niem''''': :) 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': NPE refreshing calendar 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': :-) seems like we break it :-) good test case with several users 
'''''a42niem''''': refresh works here without NPE 
'''''nmicoud''''': no problem for me too 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': re-login fixed the NPE 
'''''a42niem''''': i can already here the first question in a presentation: "can i drag and drop the entries?" 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': sounds like an interesting feature to implement 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': what do you think if I work on the release 0.1 as is now - and after that I integrate IDEMPIERE-332 and IDEMPIERE-242 ?? 
'''''nmicoud''''': yep, this release has to done ; it can be done now 
'''''a42niem''''': yes, go on 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': ok - we're planning to have frequent releases 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': maybe monthly 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': all the zero series will be alpha and then beta status 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': 0.1 0.2 0.3 .... and so on 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': when we finish the planned tasks - we freeze - conduct a testing/fixing effort to release 1.0 
'''''red1''''': (Y) 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': will create today the tickets for our planned work for the zero series 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': so, your feedback will be appreciated 
'''''red1''''': can u call it 0.2? 
'''''red1''''': i already used up the 0.1 in my installer 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': :-) 
'''''nmicoud''''': and what about older jira tickets which aren't still resolved or closed ? 
'''''red1''''': so it wont confuse.. a 0.2 seems nice 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': nmicoud, we'll be integrating as usual 
'''''red1''''': Pavol: u don't prefer Openbravo POS integratrion i did? 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': red1 - seems confusing - people will ask where is release 0.1 here 
'''''red1''''': 0.1 was the Revision i stated in my doc 
'''''nmicoud''''': i mean, maybe we could close automatically ticket if nobody assign it or hasn't been updated for maybe 2 months ? 
'''''red1''''': it was a particular point in the code 
'''''red1''''': because i thought you will announce a 1.0 instead 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': nmicoud, I would prefer formal triage sessions - we could miss some interesting things if applied strictly 
'''''red1''''': now that u decide it as 0.1.. i should have made another name 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': is fine red1 - this will be just the first "official" release 
'''''red1''''': then i will call it Offical 0.1 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': note that I don't like too much the word "official" in a decentralized and open project :-D 
'''''red1''''': u can just make a better number 
'''''nmicoud''''': you're right, but maybe we can organize some sessions to said if we can close or work on them ? 
'''''red1''''': Oracle and MS use year numbers 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': so, I'm fine with release 0.1 from red1 - that's good on decentralized open project where anybody can make releases 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': agree nmicoud 
'''''red1''''': thanks.. so yours upcoming will be 0.2? 
'''''red1''''': and since u will make it monthly i can constantly produce installers 0.2, 0.3 , etc 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': :-) 0.1 prepared from carlos - don't worry about that convention at this stage 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': is just to set up a starting point 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': because we're also creating a release tag on repository 
'''''red1''''': then i will have to name my upgrade of the installer as 0.1d 
'''''red1''''': as i already marked a, b,c 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': is it the windows installer? 
'''''red1''''': yes 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': great 
'''''red1''''': i was just picking any number 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': that's windows installer prepared by red1 
'''''red1''''': yes but the version number is same 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': you can have your release red0.1 :-) 
'''''red1''''': we shuld use centralised running number 
'''''red1''''': yes but now with your release of CR0.1 i dont want to give it a different number 
'''''red1''''': so users will know exactly what is that 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': my point is - that I would like to provide options for other people to create distros 
'''''red1''''': then i will say its based on iDempiere 1.0 
'''''red1''''': i mean iDempiere 0.1 
'''''red1''''': iDempiere 0.1 release 
'''''red1''''': as published here red1empire.blogspot.com 
'''''red1''''': http://red1empire.blogspot.com/ 
'''''red1''''': oh.. i used 0.9 ! 
'''''red1''''': so there is no clash.. its just backwards 
'''''red1''''': no issue now 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': good 
'''''red1''''': in my repo there wont be a clash of names 
'''''red1''''': numbers 
'''''red1''''': cos u wont reach 0.9 before getting to 1.0 fairly 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': as I see iDempiere is a core project - the ideal is to have distros - and each distro will have its own release naming convention 
'''''red1''''': hm.. yes.. but my core repo will be as yours 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': but until we have formal distros I'll do "community" releases - hopefully that won't be needed - just setting up release numbers without making a full release (work for the distros) 
'''''red1''''': i may add OB POS as a plugin 
'''''red1''''': and even Lbero Mfg (only prdouction scheduling minus the accountings) 
'''''red1''''': i like to call this distro "ADempeire OSGi Windows Installer 0.1" etc 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': agree 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': ok - guys - thanks for all your feedback - thanks for attending - I'm going out - c u later 
'''''red1''''': ciao 
'''''nmicoud''''': bye bye

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