CarlosRuiz: full meeting

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Full Meeting 2012-06-13


'''''CarlosRuiz''''': morning 
'''''red1''''': Moin from Malaysia 
'''''a42niem''''': good afternoon from germany 
'''''Nicolas''''': Hi ! 
'''''Javier_SETSOFTWA''''': hello everyone. 
'''''red1''''': Hi Javier 
'''''red1''''': Hi hengsin 
'''''red1''''': hi Nicolas 
'''''red1''''': Ola a42niem 
'''''hengsin''''': hi red1 
'''''Javier_SETSOFTWA''''': el del iva? 
'''''Javier_SETSOFTWA''''': sorry 
'''''Javier_SETSOFTWA''''': another chat. 
'''''red1''''': hengsin: while doing the windows installer, it seems easier to do the setup 
'''''red1''''': but its hard to get the bundles going all OK at times 
'''''red1''''': but moving on i want to do a test bundle and try the 2Pack MF you told me about some time back 
'''''red1''''': there is a Junit4OSGi but implemented for Felix 
'''''red1''''': and according to their book, we can use their GUI tool for Equinox to reference the tests 
'''''red1''''': when are we freezing the iDempiere for 1.0 release? 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': good time to talk about 1.0 release 
'''''red1''''': Bad time for football fans 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': at this moment I would focus all efforts on release tasks / tests of all functionalities / bug fixing 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': I mean wide tests - trying to cover all features 
'''''red1''''': i still find the launcher jar pointing at the wrong jar.. but as i noted, its not a problem as its a matter of changing the name 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': which file ? 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': in the repository 
'''''red1''''': i have to wait till it pops up again as i mixed alot of files both Mac and Windows 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': I tested on windows and it didn't complain 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': I cannot test on mac 
'''''red1''''': maybe i did not removed completely old scripts 
'''''red1''''': consider it solved then. I just remembered a new zip was OK today at Windows 
'''''hahmed''''': Hi red1, Carlos, everyone else 
'''''hahmed''''': oh and Shukran red1 
'''''red1''''': afwan 
'''''red1''''': I am happy to meet another new contributor to the project 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': Hi Hahmed 
'''''Nicolas''''': @CarlosRuiz : i wanted to know if 361 transition version will still be maintained after idempiere 1.0 will be released ? or should we consider current version is the more advanced (no more bug fixing or enhancement) ? 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': must be similar to what happened with 342 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': I keep releasing bug fixes until I have customers in such version or until I receive bug fixes from community 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': but most probably you won't see new functionalities there - but in iDempiere 
'''''Nicolas''''': ok, sounds logical ; the aim is to migrate into idempiere 
'''''tbayen''''': CarlosRuiz, what is the "official" version for your customers? Do you give them 361 in a actual state? 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': yes - 361 + LCO extension 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': and of course personalizations that are of specific interest of each customer 
'''''Nicolas''''': I've try to implement a more user friendly way to zoom from InfoPanels, using double click instead of Zoom button ; but it was not a real success. Anyone would be interested in it ? and/or have any idea to implement it ? (http://red1.org/adempiere/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=1619) 
'''''red1''''': i can only read your good works Nicolas but not try it yet 
'''''Nicolas''''': thanks :-) ; should i create a jira ticket for it ? i think that would be a great enhancement ; actually 90% of our customer try to zoom with a double click and it close window. They don't understand why. I guess you all should have the problem ? 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': Nicolas - I'll try to check it after release - there was also a recommendation to review the changes that MjMcKay did on search windows 
'''''Nicolas''''': ok 
'''''hahmed''''': So when is plan to release 1.0? 
'''''Javier_SETSOFTWA''''': hello everyone again. I have some questions about two different topics 
'''''Edwin_Ang''''': hi everyone 
'''''a42niem''''': for the statistics - or to get a feeling for work until release: currently there are 40 bugs of which 25 are categorized as major, critical or blocker 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': guys, announcing here that I'll be on vacations from june 14 to 21 - so I won't attend next meeting 
'''''Javier_SETSOFTWA''''': first ii want to know the risk of using the new average cost improvement if i have been using a old version wich not require use PO in every reception? 
'''''hahmed''''': Hi Edwin, and thank you the FA work. I had been waiting for it. 
'''''red1''''': Hi Edwin_Ang 
'''''Edwin_Ang''''': hi hahmed 
'''''Edwin_Ang''''': hi red1 
'''''red1''''': So Edwin_Ang my question in the forum was, "Is your FA standing on what i tried to do ?" 
'''''Javier_SETSOFTWA''''': Another issue was landed cost and avg cost, is it working fine or there are known scenarios where costing will crash. 
'''''Edwin_Ang''''': i am starting from where you left 
'''''red1''''': Javier_SETSOFTWA: do you know the business subkect matter of Costing in the first place? 
'''''Edwin_Ang''''': but, yours are more to robert klein's 
'''''Edwin_Ang''''': while i'm more to teo sarca's 
'''''red1''''': IMHO risks in ERP is more of a subject matter than technical as technical ALWAYS have bugs 
'''''red1''''': and SMEs are clever in figuring out the fallback or manual contgency 
'''''hahmed''''': a42niem: bug categorization is not very correct since the reporter is selecting that, for instance I don't consider http://jira.idempiere.com/browse/IDEMPIERE-267 a blocker, while IDEMPIERE-220 is not really a bug but a question 
'''''red1''''': and how things crashed are usually noted before hand by SMEs (subject matter experts) 
'''''red1''''': so SMEs create test cases and and test against that 
'''''red1''''': i have done some testing on both topics you asked.. so you can go to those test cases and ask which case is tested on the new engine 
'''''red1''''': and CarlosRuiz has done up tests for online inspection 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': good point hahmed - I'll try to do some triage for those blockers and criticals 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': Javier_SETSOFTWA, I would expect you to tell us if you find bugs :-) 
'''''red1''''': Javier is asking if you think there will be bugs 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': we have published our tests - and they're working 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': http://demo.globalqss.com:8089/AvgCostSuite.BasicTest?pageHistory&resultDate=20120610152627 
'''''red1''''': I am trying to answer that even God cannot answer or already did answer 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': is your homework to conduct more tests and notify problems 
'''''red1''''': i think what homework is needed is to define his particular scenario of his client 
'''''Javier_SETSOFTWA''''': i know allways will be bugs. 
'''''Javier_SETSOFTWA''''': like any other software 
'''''red1''''': because what that client use to do is what the system will be tested on 
'''''Javier_SETSOFTWA''''': but the first question is 
'''''Javier_SETSOFTWA''''': because now costing change. 
'''''Javier_SETSOFTWA''''': and required PO.for receptions 
'''''Javier_SETSOFTWA''''': but i think later i'll find if there are problems with migration and re creating cost entries. 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': Javier_SETSOFTWA, we announce the backward compatibility issues - you analyze and mitigate the risk 
'''''Javier_SETSOFTWA''''': ok 
'''''Javier_SETSOFTWA''''': thanks. 
'''''Javier_SETSOFTWA''''': i'll be around, for share what i find. 
'''''red1''''': it will be hard to test though 
'''''red1''''': due to absence of an SME 
'''''red1''''': even locallt i could not understand my accountant 
'''''red1''''': so i could not make a real test 
* CarlosRuiz in triage mode :-) 
'''''red1''''': should we have a bug day? 
'''''red1''''': hi again Edwin_Ang 
'''''Edwin_Ang''''': hi again too 
'''''red1''''': yeah my question again.. is your FA similar to what i reviewed from Teo's? 
'''''red1''''': and u just add on top of it? 
'''''red1''''': or new methods for Asset creation 
'''''red1''''': which are missing AFAIK 
'''''Edwin_Ang''''': i fix it 
'''''Edwin_Ang''''': just add the missing parts 
'''''red1''''': so yours is based on that? 
'''''Edwin_Ang''''': yep 
'''''red1''''': so i can take yours back and try to apply the same tests i made 
'''''Edwin_Ang''''': i removed his romanian localization 
'''''red1''''': i also did that.. changing in Element table 
'''''red1''''': but i did that considered last minute 
'''''Edwin_Ang''''': i don't think your previous test can be used on this one 
'''''Edwin_Ang''''': teo is doing depreciation in a different way from robert klein's 
'''''red1''''': what i know is that its different documents 
'''''red1''''': and Teo rewrite the code 
'''''red1''''': but the tests are simple 
'''''red1''''': it just tests for the docs produced and its acct consequence 
'''''red1''''': the tests can be easily recoded 
'''''Edwin_Ang''''': Teo's code is very much different from Klein's 
'''''Edwin_Ang''''': it's just totally different 
'''''Edwin_Ang''''': Klein's depreciation is much complete in feature 
'''''red1''''': i see 
'''''red1''''': if u can write some notes as i did.. maybe i can compare the notes 
'''''red1''''': i documented what i found out.. to help me remember the trail study 
'''''red1''''': both seems to do for their separate requirements 
'''''Edwin_Ang''''': to be honest, i'm not as good as you in documentation 
'''''Edwin_Ang''''': i'm working on a draft 
'''''Edwin_Ang''''': will try to finish in a day or two 
'''''red1''''': to be honest i am not that good in anything else :D 
'''''red1''''': so you maybe able to help from what you did 
'''''red1''''': bbl 
'''''Edwin_Ang''''': ok 
'''''Edwin_Ang''''': anyway, related to my FA work.. i need to ask for an opinion 
'''''Edwin_Ang''''': starting from FA, i've done a lot of coding by introducing new documents 
'''''Edwin_Ang''''': i found that i can have better control on GL entries if i use documents 
'''''Edwin_Ang''''': hence, i've created a lot of document with docbasetype GL Documents 
'''''Edwin_Ang''''': is it ok if we introduce a subdoctype column in c_doctype? 
'''''Edwin_Ang''''': there is already a subdoctypeso column.. but i think a more general "SubDocType" column will be better 
'''''hengsin''''': edwin - why not a new docbasetype ? 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': Edwin_Ang, I have understood the GL_Category as the subtype for GL_Journals 
'''''Edwin_Ang''''': @Hengsin: I am not an accountant. So I take it very carefully to add new docbasetype 
'''''Edwin_Ang''''': IMHO, i can take safely use GL Documents for Asset Addition documents, Asset Disposal, Amortization, etc 
'''''Edwin_Ang''''': @CarlosRuiz: my understanding of GL Category, it serves for all docbasetype 
'''''Edwin_Ang''''': not GL only 
'''''Nicolas__''''': Yep, GL_Category are used for all document. It is used to set a 'sales' or 'bank' or 'purchase' label to facts 
'''''Edwin_Ang''''': recently, i found use of GL Category to help me group fact details 
'''''hengsin''''': edwin, that's not consistent with the design of compiere - gl is only for manual entry, all trx should use its own docbasetype 
'''''Edwin_Ang''''': we have GL Journal and GL Document 
'''''Edwin_Ang''''': i use GL Journal for manual entries 
'''''Edwin_Ang''''': for years i've been wondering why there exists any GL Documents 
'''''Edwin_Ang''''': recently i found it may suit for extension documents 
'''''Edwin_Ang''''': like in my current FA, i use it for asset addition, asset depreciation, and asset disposal 
'''''Edwin_Ang''''': however i need to differentiate those documents 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': yes - what I mean - when I create new GLDocTypes 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': I differentiate all of them via the GL_Category 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': you have two ways - or you create many GL Doctypes with docbasetype GL Journal 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': or you use one GL Journal and many GL Categories 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': accountant choice 
'''''Edwin_Ang''''': IMHO, GL Category is more flexible for each client 
'''''Edwin_Ang''''': except you propose to change the access level to All 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': ? 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': sorry - don't understand 
'''''Edwin_Ang''''': i'm not very good in english 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': you say you need to differentiate GL Journals - asset addition, asset depreciation, asset disposal 
'''''Edwin_Ang''''': so let me use example 
'''''Edwin_Ang''''': let say i use the code ADD for Asset Addition 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': so I mean that you can do that with three documents (all based as GL Journals) - or you can do that with one GL Journal and three GL categories 
'''''Edwin_Ang''''': in Doc_AssetAddition, i will add the code: IF (docbasetype=GLD and GL Category=ADD) then the document will be posted as Asset Addition 
'''''Edwin_Ang''''': now.. i need to lock the GL Category value as ADD across all instances that use FA 
'''''Edwin_Ang''''': if using GL Category, there are two ways to set this up 
'''''Edwin_Ang''''': either i set the ADD in System 
'''''Edwin_Ang''''': or in every client we add a GL Category ADD 
'''''Edwin_Ang''''': so that asset addition can post 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': no - you must make that configurable 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': somewhere in FA configuration you must define that category ADD is used for asset addition 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': I guess such column does not exist - just advising 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': guys - I have to go - to claim my passport - c u then

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