CarlosRuiz: full meeting

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Full Meeting 2012-03-14


'''''emmie''''': hi all! 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': Hi 
'''''mindbender1''''': hi 
'''''mzuniga_ergio''''': Hi 
'''''emmie''''': well, just a comment related to centralized ID 
'''''emmie''''': despite that AD_Sequence not have entitytype column 
'''''emmie''''': is posible use it with project centralized configuration 
'''''a42niem''''': hi 
'''''emmie''''': only need to add AD_Sequence.seq file 
'''''emmie''''': and, each time that a table is created 
'''''emmie''''': the sequence related to it, is created with ID obtained from that config 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': interesting tip Emiliano 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': sounds like a good tip to add to comments here -> http://www.adempiere.com/Centralized_ID_Management 
'''''emmie''''': maybe this clarification could be added to wiki page 
'''''emmie''''': ja 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': :-) 
'''''emmie''''': ok, I will do it 
'''''hengsin''''': carlos, there's a bug introduce lately for log migration scripot, it is logging the changes to the ad_recent_item table 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': ah - it needs to be added to exceptions - I'll check it 
'''''red1''''': hi all 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': Hi 
'''''emmie''''': hi! 
'''''mzuniga_ergio''''': HI Red1 
'''''red1''''': any event to plan for Argentina end of April? 
'''''hengsin''''': carlos, any progress on fitness for idempiere ? 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': not yet 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': I haven't reviewed it - and David is working on another new assignment 
'''''emmie''''': I hope soon happening ( we work on it... :-) ) 
'''''mzuniga_ergio''''': That would be nice red1, but i think not this time 
'''''mzuniga_ergio''''': but don't worry, you'll met us in a near future ;-) 
'''''andygraybeal''''': red1, hi, i wonder what your thoughts are on SmartPOS? i see that you documented nearly the same thing in September 2011. for whatever reason, i thought that you collaborated with the SmartPOS group, but now i see you didn't. what are your thoughts if any? 
'''''andygraybeal''''': i am still looking for the right POS for my restaurant. 
'''''red1''''': Hi andygraybeal .. what actually happened was i asked for early collaboration but SmarPOS was too late 
'''''red1''''': so i publisehd my work ahead of them 
'''''red1''''': have they published any user guide on it? 
'''''andygraybeal''''': i'm not sure if they have documentation, they have a forum dedicated to it. 
'''''andygraybeal''''': i am inhabiting #smartpos for the eff of it. 
'''''red1''''': but i did talked to Pedro Rozo on his company's work and i am just happy they going open on it 
'''''andygraybeal''''': yay! happiness. i am happy too.. i think it is so far the most comprehensive take on an Open Restaurant POS !!! i can't wait to test it. 
'''''red1''''': he seems to have more things to offer .. 
'''''andygraybeal''''': yes, he mod'ed the OBPOS ... which isn't ready for restaurants at all, even though it's advertized as such (maybe very limited restaurants) 
'''''andygraybeal''''': i am busy doing other things, but i saw his announcement about it just recently. 
'''''red1''''': his work seems comprehensive 
'''''andygraybeal''''': okay, thank you for chatting about it :) 
'''''red1''''': so far he is doing it the best he can, making it all open 
'''''red1''''': if u can, please review his code.. my guide can help in some ways 
'''''red1''''': i did write about some of present OB POS code issues, so you can use that as a reference point 
'''''andygraybeal''''': awesome, thank you i can't wait to test it out. 
'''''andygraybeal''''': i don't know when i can get to it - i'm in over my head working on Liferay and Adempiere for our business right now. 
'''''andygraybeal''''': but.. as soon as i can get away from this i will work on SmartPOS with your guides as a reference. 
'''''andygraybeal''''': red1, i've been out of the loop and i was sad to see this new split. i hope all is well, and i don't like fighting and drama. 
'''''red1''''': i see.. that is why i strive to document code exposes to assist anyone who might want to save time going over the same code 
'''''andygraybeal''''': btw, red1, i'm not a coder, so i can't 'review' maybe like you think :) i can test the app though and if it's feature-set matches what my restaurant needs or not -- i can go from there. 
'''''red1''''': i think it will be solved easily with the present status quo.. don't worry about it… as long as we got a robust community, and continous contribution in the right places.. 
'''''andygraybeal''''': :)))) 
'''''andygraybeal''''': okay, rock on and thanks again for chatting. 
'''''red1''''': well AFAIK the present OB POS is restaurant ready, but mine did not touch the Tax module integration and SmartPOS claimed to resolve that, so someone should review further 
'''''andygraybeal''''': OB POS is lacking quite a few features for restaurants. it's a great start!!! and just needs a few more polishes... this is why i'm excited about SmartPOS. OB group plans on working more on OB POS this whole year. they havent' touched it in atleast 2 years!!! (very frustrating) 
'''''andygraybeal''''': ob erp is still cost prohibitive for my business... but this is another story. 
'''''andygraybeal''''': and why i'm excited to see obpos and adempiere integrated :) 
'''''red1''''': well, now we got another offering to compare.. i am equally excited on a better integration 
'''''andygraybeal''''': :) 
'''''red1''''': hi fer_luck how is Fernangino Morais? 
'''''red1''''': he is up to some more contributions? 
'''''andygraybeal''''': so, i need brought up to speed, what is this OSGi, i'm reading the wikipedia article on it. is the only enhancement it's bringing is not needing to reboot a java machine? 
'''''andygraybeal''''': i don't mean to downplay it like that, but i'm trying to understand. 
'''''red1''''': yes andygraybeal i did try that abit .. it seems to work that way 
'''''andygraybeal''''': okay thank you 
'''''red1''''': OSGi is giving Java its real role in app dev 
'''''red1''''': been OO 
'''''red1''''': but its a long way to go 
'''''red1''''': i am glad to help anyone who wish to get into the action as i am not an expert coder myself, but i can help in starter understanding 
'''''mindbender1''''': hi red1 
'''''red1''''': hi mindbender1 
'''''mindbender1''''': what's happening today there seems not to be much discussion around idempiere today 
'''''red1''''': well.. our agenda is the same... 
'''''red1''''': "There is no prefix agenda" 
'''''mindbender1''''': I have been trying to get adempiere to run on a glassfish instance, can you help? 
'''''mindbender1''''': what extra configuration is needed 
'''''red1''''': no experience in that.. you would need to write out a post on what u did then, and hope it hits some attention out there 
'''''mindbender1''''': ok 
'''''fer_luck''''': red1: sorry, wasn't at the computer.. Yeah. He's very interested on your GWT approach 
'''''red1''''': but i like the strong presence in the chatroom today.. at least there is an effort to show up 
'''''red1''''': and conversations can occur no matter how casually 
'''''red1''''': fer_luck: i am deep in the TabPanel handling of GWT now.. there is some incomplete parts from Libero 
'''''fer_luck''''': hengsin : Hello hengsin, how're you doing? I'm having trouble trying to use the new 2pack, was wondering if you would have an example file that works right now, so I can assure that it's not something I'm overlooking here. 
'''''red1''''': but its interesting how GWT has alot of material out there lately 
'''''fer_luck''''': red1: that's good to hear. :) 
'''''red1''''': hopefully we meet in Fortaleza next month 
'''''fer_luck''''': hengsin: I can export the package, but cannot import it.. 
'''''fer_luck''''': yeah, probably. :) 
'''''red1''''': if there is interest in GWT, i can give a code walkthru on how it is organised 
'''''red1''''': fer_luck: what kind of error u get? 
'''''fer_luck''''': It simply doesn't process anything.. 
'''''red1''''': u basing on the latest hengsin work of OSGi? 
'''''red1''''': mine is outdated last year .. but it works well 
'''''red1''''': what did u export? whole Menu / Module ? 
'''''fer_luck''''': yeah.. 
'''''fer_luck''''': I'm on idempiere.. 
'''''red1''''': well my test is exactly one year ago 1.1.11 
'''''fer_luck''''': I've exported the C_Location, C_Country, C_Region and C_City tables.. 
'''''fer_luck''''': on that package.. 
'''''red1''''': have u tried on another simpler package? 
'''''fer_luck''''': yeah. I tried exporting only one table and it also hasn't worked. :) 
'''''red1''''': u could export but not import? 
'''''fer_luck''''': yeah.. 
'''''fer_luck''''': weird, ain't it? 
'''''hengsin''''': fer_luck, the current 2pack in idempiere is still quite buggy, I've quite a big chunk of patch to push that will probably happens within this 2 week 
'''''fer_luck''''': oh, I got it.. if you need someone to test it, I can help you with it.. 
'''''fer_luck''''': So, it's not importing yet hengsin? 
'''''hengsin''''': I don't know what's the state it is in now :) 
'''''red1''''': fer_luck: u are familiar with migration.. can't you sense whats wrong? 
'''''fer_luck''''': hengsin: The structure of the file changed a lot, didn't it? 
'''''hengsin''''': and pass 2 week have been on zk6 and costing only ... 
'''''fer_luck''''': I've been looking at the zk6 stuff.. 
'''''hengsin''''': fer_luck, yes, not backward compatible. it is a complete rewrite 
'''''fer_luck''''': it's pretty neat! :) 
'''''fer_luck''''': hengsin: so it will use the uuid as a surrogate key, in the end? 
'''''hengsin''''': yeah, that's what can get us away from centralized id but still long way to go 
'''''hengsin''''': with uuid, dictionary and user maintained is now both first class citizen 
'''''hengsin''''': I means if uuid is the pk replacing the current _ID 
'''''fer_luck''''': it would be nice to change the way it works now.. Well, anyways, if there's something I can help with, my time is short until the end of the next month, but I may be able to help with testing and such.. 
'''''red1''''': meanwhile if others can volunteer in other stuff it be good too.. just write to me if need further info if they are not sure if its useful 
'''''red1''''': in my travels i realised alot of people have lots to contribute but are not sure how.. SmartPOS is one of them (thanks to Carlos persistent to them to contribute first, worry later) 
'''''hengsin''''': red1, I would say half of it is not sure how and the other half is just time constraint. 
'''''red1''''': yes and i tackled that too.. for example Javier in Colombia told me how he wasted much money trying to market ADempiere business 
'''''red1''''': in the end he is getting calls by just spending time doing blogs with videos tutorials or demos 
'''''red1''''': the next step for him is not to do normal projects but move upstream and give away those projects 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': I'm checking this bug reported 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': http://www.red1.org/adempiere/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=1545 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': already reproduced it on demo.globalqss.com 
'''''red1''''': Hola Javier_SETSOFTWA 
'''''Javier_SETSOFTWA''''': hi everybody 
'''''Javier_SETSOFTWA''''': hi red1 
'''''hengsin''''': hi 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': Hi Javier 
'''''red1''''': Javier u have to pick up your Eclipse Plugin skills and polish it 
'''''Javier_SETSOFTWA''''': yes i know 
'''''red1''''': i seen your paper in Medellin…we need help as everyone is more busy 
'''''Javier_SETSOFTWA''''': but like i told you before. 
'''''Javier_SETSOFTWA''''': i have to keep my business alive, 
'''''Javier_SETSOFTWA''''': so is hard 
'''''red1''''': same here .. 
'''''Javier_SETSOFTWA''''': but i think things are changing 
'''''red1''''': u translated some stuff into Spanish.. thats part of the eco system 
'''''Javier_SETSOFTWA''''': the phone is ringing now i don't know how but after i started to contribute 
'''''Javier_SETSOFTWA''''': people call me 
'''''red1''''': keep it up.. if u cannot code, u can document.. and that aligns business to your time 
'''''Javier_SETSOFTWA''''': yes that the thing i can do now 
'''''red1''''': so now you have to filter those calls and take only those that supports your time to contribute 
'''''red1''''': other calls just ask them to help themselves somehow in same way 
'''''red1''''': in fact, you shuld call Pedro 
'''''red1''''': and share his tasks on OB POS with you so that u can get the best since u are near to him 
'''''red1''''': u document it, u get the calls again 
'''''Javier_SETSOFTWA''''': ok, 
'''''red1''''': since his team is better at coding and not talking nor writing 
'''''Javier_SETSOFTWA''''': i'll do it if he want to. 
'''''red1''''': i dont see how he can refuse if u write it with his name on it 
'''''red1''''': and u cross post it from your own blog 
'''''red1''''': i be happy he blows up my September 11 OB POS from the sky 
'''''red1''''': i am prompting Pedro now.. 
'''''Javier_SETSOFTWA''''': yes, i read his work, i don't used yet but i think that is a great contribution. 
'''''red1''''': indeed.. 
'''''Javier_SETSOFTWA''''': community is growing here 
'''''Javier_SETSOFTWA''''': and we can't wait for IDempiere. 
'''''red1''''': yes, si si.. we must share the load 
'''''red1''''': Pedro just told me he is on the road… and he is finishing the docs 
'''''red1''''': he may need your help to convert into the wiki 
'''''red1''''': so that more users can work on it 
'''''red1''''': he said he will attend next week 
'''''red1''''': this meeting if there are enquiries on it 
'''''Javier_SETSOFTWA''''': ok, 
'''''Javier_SETSOFTWA''''': we are willing to help. 
'''''red1''''': i am grateful to all of you, no matter how small your help, at least it helped me ^.^ 
'''''red1''''': Pedro also offered questions in his forum.. so please go ahead 
'''''Javier_SETSOFTWA''''': ok 
'''''red1''''': i am help[ing him what to do and what not to do… he can contribute but was not sure how to manage or strategise 
'''''red1''''': like to announce i just solve a huge problem in GWT display 
'''''red1''''': it took me 2 full days with lots of code edits.. but in the end,.. realised that its only a single word in the code 
'''''red1''''': i am not sure how to report this to my sponsor :> 
'''''red1''''': i am just excited that the motivation to solve it is maximum during idempiere chatroom meeting :D 
'''''red1''''': if anyone wants to know.. the main display of any window in GWT is obscured at the TabPanels 
'''''red1''''': it is solved by casting the TabPanel to Form panel. Too easy in hindsight. 
'''''red1''''': mzuniga_ergio can u post the logs of this 2 hour instance? 
'''''mzuniga_ergio''''': no problem, i'll do it. 
'''''red1''''': See you in Aregentina soon :D (its just a prayer.. usually it comes true) 
'''''mzuniga_ergio''''': :D 
'''''red1''''': oops Argentina.. or i get a wrong ticket :D 
'''''mzuniga_ergio''''': :D :D

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