CarlosRuiz: full meeting

2012-02-01T21:29:35Z

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Full Meeting 2012-02-01


'''''Suman_''''': Hi All, This is Suman, Joining for the first time in Idempiere conference 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': Morning all - welcome Suman 
'''''Suman_''''': Thanks Carlos 
'''''red1''''': Hi Suman where are u from? 
'''''red1''''': I am still suffering from slight stomach ache.. otherwise fully recovered from food poisioning here in Quito, Ecuador 
'''''red1''''': will be back later as i move from the hotel to the office shortly. CarlosRuiz can u give me the link to your last transcript? 
'''''red1''''': i will link in the forum about this chat meetings 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': already posted below your forum message 
'''''red1''''': OK then gracias 
'''''Suman_''''': I am from India 
'''''Suman_''''': Works for Walkingtree 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': ah - I've followed your latests blog entries - they're very helpful - well redacted 
'''''red1''''': as usual to introduce this meeting i quote from Carlos previous apperance: CarlosRuiz: I have no specific agenda for today's meeting - so if you have any issue (technical or functional) you want to discuss - is open - otherwise I'll start working on my pendings 
'''''Suman_''''': Thanks, we will continue to add more add blogs 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': and I see also that you have a very active forum 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': :-) exactly red1 
'''''red1''''': Suman, feel free to cross link your work to my forum too - under perhaps 'Building ADempiere' 
'''''Suman_''''': Sure I will do that, But I was bit doubtful as it may become promotional thing 
'''''Suman_''''': but as you mentioned I will start cross linking things 
'''''Suman_''''': I have started reading about OSGI , it is promising 
'''''Suman_''''': If no one has any question, I have one question 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': of course - go ahead 
'''''red1''''': Suman.. promotional is allowed if it promotes knowledge and not overselling 
'''''Suman_''''': Does Idempiere reduces Customization time, compared to adempiere? 
'''''Suman_''''': Red1.., I agree 
* CarlosRuiz thinking on Suman_ question .... 
'''''Suman_''''': How it reduces time, If we have an example scenario for this, that will be nice 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': well - I think that's not the main goal - IMHO the customization time on iDempiere/Adempiere is little 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': but yes - in some way it can reduce the time 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': as in some cases you don't need to add entries to the dictionary - but just declare the extension point in the bundle 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': but as I said the goal is not to shorten the times I find already short - the goal is better modularization - avoid class collisions, etc 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': but - I would like to counterask 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': how do you think the customization times can be reduced 
'''''Suman_''''': Thanks Carlos 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': if you have ideas on that direction we can review them 
'''''Suman_''''': I don't have ideas right now, i am just trying understand the things as it is now, may I understand more i may have 
'''''Suman_''''': As I understand more, I may have 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': sure - my question is because we're too used to the interface - so I find the customization times short - but for others is not the same 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': and I like to work on that direction 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': for example when I added the "Create Columns From Similar Table" button 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': that speed up the creation of tables a lot 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': and it was very simple solution 
'''''Suman_''''': yes that was good value addition 
'''''Suman_''''': Suppose, If I have very small customer, all he wants is configure product and raise purchase orders from them no Inventory and no accoutning and no costing 
'''''Suman_''''': Right now with current adempiere, I have to deploy everything and hide windows for the end user 
'''''Suman_''''': can we solve this idempiere? 
'''''Suman_''''': in 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': that's a long term goal - but yes, we're thinking on that direction 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': to have a kernel and modules to be installed on top of the kernel 
'''''Suman_''''': that will be an achievement 
'''''Suman_''''': Then irrespective of scale of customer's business, Idempiere is an option 
'''''red1''''': bbl 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': well - at this moment it is - just that is not modularized - so you need to do the role configuration to hide the non-used things 
'''''Suman_''''': Yes 
'''''Suman_''''': Does Eclipse use any database? 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': I don't know - I suppose for the workspace data must use some sort of database 
'''''Suman_''''': I was just co relating, I will login to adempiere and select some window, in window I will give link for site which has payrol fully installed 
'''''Suman_''''': then it will install that features in my current adempiere installation 
'''''Suman_''''': the we way do in eclipse :) 
'''''Suman_''''': I am thinking it as one end goal for Idempiere 
'''''Suman_''''': Correct me If I am wrong 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': yes - that's the idea - don't know if the mechanism will be an update site - or a marketplace 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': but for sure the idea is to make installation of modules very easy 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': just like deploying the bundle on the OSGi container 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': then it must auto-install the dictionary part on database - probably using 3pack 
'''''Suman_''''': When I visualize, database looked like little tricky thing to me 
'''''Suman_''''': that's why I asked whether eclipse uses database 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': that is basically done - what we don't have a mechanism to uninstall from dictionary 
'''''Suman_''''': We may need to have that as well as we move forward :) 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': yes - is tricky 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': install is done with 3pack (I use to call this the new version of 2pack) :-) 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': but uninstall is still very tricky 
'''''Suman_''''': yes it is tricky, we may need to some thing at the time create 3 pack to uninstall 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': I'm reviewing JIRA trackers as there are no questions - so - if anybody have a candidate for review, just let me know 
'''''Suman_''''': Hi Carlos, can I start helping by fixing some issues? 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': of course - you're welcome 
'''''Suman_''''': I have good understanding in existing adempiere code base, so I think I can help to some extent in IDempiere 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': I guess you can clone the bitbucket repository - and look for one of the JIRA tickets open that you would like to collaborate 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': try to solve it and if ok - then you can send a pull request 
'''''Suman_''''': Ok 
'''''Suman_''''': I will try 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': and of course you can ask us when you got stuck somewhere 
'''''red1''''': About what Suman_ said about small customer with only purchasing… it is a good idea.. if we have a 2Pack that hides all of that.. maybe i can work towards that 
'''''Suman_''''': Red1.., Moving away from the topic, i am still working on automatic record of test scripts in selenium 
'''''Suman_''''': as I make progresss i will update in forums 
'''''red1''''': that will be great 
'''''Suman_''''': May be carlos can add his thoughts here, 
'''''Suman_''''': What I have done is 
'''''Suman_''''': Sorry, is this right forum to discuss selenium stuff? 
'''''red1''''': I am quite contented with the present contribution done by Carlos and Hengsin to test the ZK via Selenium... 
'''''red1''''': as long as no one objects :D 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': did you read the rules of this IRC? 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': :-D just joking 
'''''red1''''': RULES?!! 
'''''red1''''': :D 
'''''Suman_''''': :) 
'''''Suman_''''': :) 
'''''Suman_''''': It seems no objections, May be carlos can help here 
'''''red1''''': actually we have a simple convention… if u think someone else is shit, say so. 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': Suman_, this space is to open - and selenium QA for iDempiere is of big interest 
'''''Suman_''''': We have added on our own attribute for each widget that i.e. WEditor.java 
'''''Suman_''''': that can bring uniqueness for each widget and will not change for each deployment 
'''''Suman_''''': Now we need to make selenium start identying that attribute automatically when user clicks on or enters data in partilcuar Widget or field 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': yes - we need uniqueness - and I have suggested also repeatability to be able to record 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': with repeatability I mean - generating the same unique key for each session 
'''''Suman_''''': For that I In selenium I have added my own "Own Locator Builder" In selenium IDE and put that locator builder on tio 
'''''Suman_''''': top 
'''''Suman_''''': so every time selenium starts recording, it should that for that attribute,if selenium can find that atrribute, our goal is achieved 
'''''Suman_''''': but some how, our custom attribute is not being recognized by selenium 
'''''Suman_''''': it is not even appearing when I try to find it with firebug 
'''''Suman_''''': I need some suggestions from you 
'''''Suman_''''': "should that for that attribute" means "Should look for our custom attribute" 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': why don't you use the nextComponentUuid approach? 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': question -> the attribute you added is unique for each component and repeatable - is the same generated on every session (of course if the steps are made in the same order) 
'''''Suman_''''': Do we set nextComponentUuid in ID attribute of each field? 
'''''Suman_''''': I mean each instance of WEditor? 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': have you checked the iDempiere code for that ? or globalqss361 ? 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': I think you arrived to the same approach we implemented 
'''''Suman_''''': I have taken base from Red1's Demo 
'''''Suman_''''': that means your approach 
'''''Suman_''''': my goal was to reduce the the effort of test recording 
'''''Suman_''''': our functional testers should be able to record the test cases 
'''''red1''''': and if he proves to you that what you said is shit, then you admit it (sorry was distracted by the boss here in the office who insisted that i know about TOC) 
'''''Suman_''''': they do not know C_BPartner_ID or M_PriceList_ID 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': the approach on idempiere/globalqss361 is this 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': https://bitbucket.org/idempiere/idempiere/src/005aec45b17c/org.adempiere.ui.zk/WEB-INF/src/org/adempiere/webui/AdempiereIdGenerator.java 
'''''Suman_''''': I will verify that once, It seems I am missing some thing 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': the nextComponentUuid is called from the zk core to generate the ID of each UI component (buttons, textboxes, etc) 
'''''Suman_''''': Thanks For the Pointer 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': so - we save a prefix before (i.e. on WEditor and in other classes too) to be used by nextComponentUuid 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': look for example line 107 here 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': https://bitbucket.org/idempiere/idempiere/src/005aec45b17c/org.adempiere.ui.zk/WEB-INF/src/org/adempiere/webui/editor/WEditor.java 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': what I don't like from that is that is adding a "random" number at the end 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': I suggested to add a combination of WindowNo + AD_Field_ID to make it unique and repeatable 
'''''Suman_''''': yes that should bring uniqueness 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': that's similar to what you did? 
'''''Suman_''''': But selenium was not identifying this automatically 
'''''Suman_''''': I may be missing some thing 
'''''red1''''': (logging off for next big event in Quito - will check the transcript later) 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': bye red1 - good luck 
'''''Suman_''''': Problem I face right now is that selenium is not automatically deteting this id 
'''''Suman_''''': I will do some more work and post question in Red1's forum in name of 'dravuri' 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': which version are you using? 
'''''Suman_''''': 360 
'''''Suman_''''': adempiere 360 LTS 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': I'll check again on globalqss361/iDempiere to work with selenium the way described 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': trying to get the unique ID 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': we have this JIRA ticket also to discuss about 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': http://jira.idempiere.com/browse/IDEMPIERE-92 
'''''Suman_''''': Thanks 
'''''Suman_''''': I will use this Jira tracker 
'''''Suman_''''': Thanks Carlos for your time and Patience 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': you're welcome - thanks to you for coming here 
'''''Suman_''''': I am leaving this session, Bye 
'''''CarlosRuiz''''': bye

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