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| CarlosRuiz | Hi tbayen | 19:35 |
| tbayen | Hi CArlos | 19:35 |
| CarlosRuiz | how are things going? :) | 19:36 |
| tbayen | I am preparing my projects for my new apprentice. :-) | 19:36 |
| CarlosRuiz | :) | 19:36 |
| tbayen | I am afraid (and I hope) he is not an apprentice but much smarter than me | 19:37 |
| CarlosRuiz | I hope so :) | 19:38 |
| CarlosRuiz | seems the wiki is down again | 19:38 |
| tbayen | Since some days I play with several document management systems. I hope to get one working as I want. Then we can do an iDempiere interface. | 19:38 |
| CarlosRuiz | I'm in Ecuador - was teaching a training past week | 19:38 |
| tbayen | And one thing my new employee has really to do is to set up a nagios instance. And a new wiki server. | 19:39 |
| CarlosRuiz | I think DMS is little - I would think to create the functionality as a plugin - could be easier than the integration | 19:39 |
| CarlosRuiz | I wrote to you some time ago - that I have a zabbix instance - but I cannot install the zabbix client on wiki | 19:40 |
| CarlosRuiz | I can setup zabbix to notify us when the wiki is down - or when the disk is reaching a limit | 19:41 |
| tbayen | We can do that. But the real solution would be to go to a new server with the wiki. This one was my first and it has still an older traiff with smaller memory and disk. I hope that Diego can do that. | 19:42 |
| tbayen | wiki is rebooted. | 19:43 |
| tbayen | This error is strange. The server just crashzes. I wonder if there are too mnany things on this one server stealing memory. | 19:44 |
| tbayen | Why is zabbix better than nagios? Is there a reason to change that? | 19:45 |
| CarlosRuiz | just preference - when I did my review I prefered zabbix - I don't have experience with nagios | 19:45 |
| CarlosRuiz | I liked the ease of setup and full web configuration of zabbix | 19:46 |
| CarlosRuiz | as I read somewhere nagios doesn't have that out of the box | 19:46 |
| CarlosRuiz | but I can't know I just didn't test it | 19:46 |
| CarlosRuiz | it was also very easy to find a postgresql preconfiguration file | 19:47 |
| tbayen | It was similar for me. I liked that nagios has a long history and very much connectors were already done. I will talk with Diego about that. My former Nagios is down. I want to setup a new one from scratch when he is here. | 19:48 |
| CarlosRuiz | I already have the zabbix monitoring all my servers - as well as the idempiere servers that I'm able to control | 19:49 |
| CarlosRuiz | wiki is one of those I can't | 19:49 |
| tbayen | Why? It is just a matter of an html query? | 19:55 |
| CarlosRuiz | that I can setup - but to monitor better the machine and the databases you need to install a zabbix client | 19:56 |
| tbayen | I can do that if you like. Or I give you root access. But I can tell you that this whole machine will be "refactored" in the next months. | 19:57 |
| CarlosRuiz | whatever you prefer - just the wiki issue is becoming concerning - it's crashing too frequently | 19:58 |
| CarlosRuiz | maybe we have some enemies hacking it :DDD | 19:58 |
| tbayen | Hmmm... perhaps. But why now? | 20:00 |
| norbertbede1 | hi | 20:00 |
| norbertbede1 | i suggest to use confluence like jira | 20:00 |
| tbayen | Will it be hard to set up the zabbix agent? I can do it now if you like | 20:01 |
| norbertbede1 | we are using it and its very good integration beteen them | 20:01 |
| norbertbede1 | its free for opensource community.. can help to maintain | 20:01 |
| norbertbede1 | wdyt | 20:01 |
| tbayen | Hi norbertbede1 ! :-) What shall we do with Confluence? Instead of the wiki? 8-o | 20:02 |
| norbertbede1 | my opinion is the follow | 20:03 |
| norbertbede1 | 1. stable | 20:03 |
| norbertbede1 | 2. deep integration with jira | 20:03 |
| norbertbede1 | 3. macros - small apps able to list tickets by filters etc | 20:03 |
| norbertbede1 | 4. good permission schema | 20:04 |
| norbertbede1 | 5. able to write any plugin for specific tassk (e.g. generate docbook (instead…) | 20:04 |
| norbertbede1 | 6. can be public either private (if required) | 20:05 |
| norbertbede1 | 7. for advanced product management - using spaces as workgoups... | 20:05 |
| norbertbede1 | in my opinion jira is not enough for agile approach of product development this is my personal opinion | 20:06 |
| tbayen | I did no | 20:08 |
| norbertbede1 | sorry ? | 20:08 |
| tbayen | Sorry - my cat... | 20:08 |
| tbayen | I did not work with it yet. But I don't want to do all the wiki work again. That seems an interesting idea to use it as an extension to our tools. Or do you think it will replace the wiki? | 20:09 |
| norbertbede1 | will check migration process - maybe something exists well | 20:09 |
| norbertbede1 | https://answers.atlassian.com/questions/32751/migrating-documents-from-mediawiki-to-confluence | 20:10 |
| norbertbede1 | looks exists migration tool need to test. could help | 20:11 |
| norbertbede1 | i can help you study and migrate if top contributors agree. | 20:12 |
| tbayen | I can not see the advantages because I have not enough knowledge. We can discuss that on the mailing list. And I am not sure if I find the time to do that. Perhaps with my new employee in some weeks... I like the know-how about media wiki I collected in the last years and I am a bit afraid to throw this away. But you can try to convince me. :-) | 20:15 |
| tbayen | Perhaps you want to maintain it? I can give some space on the new server for that. | 20:15 |
| norbertbede1 | are you running jira in atlassian cloud or locally ? | 20:17 |
| norbertbede1 | is it for free or payed instance | 20:17 |
| CarlosRuiz | jira is atlassian cloud / free | 20:19 |
| norbertbede1 | then you can request confluence. and we can test it - behind | 20:20 |
| norbertbede1 | i can maintan and setup it | 20:20 |
| norbertbede1 | minimally run it with good start - then i try out way how to migrate all data, | 20:21 |
| norbertbede1 | only 1 question im asking myself how to generate documentation from idempiere to wiki | 20:21 |
| norbertbede1 | if i remember well there are some scripts responsible for this. | 20:22 |
| norbertbede1 | need more details how | 20:22 |
| CarlosRuiz | Thomas Thiessen did a big effort to make the wiki a farm multi-language | 20:22 |
| CarlosRuiz | not sure if confluence will migrate the same? | 20:23 |
| norbertbede1 | can we identify exact imporvements of mediawiki ? | 20:24 |
| norbertbede1 | was done by Thissem | 20:24 |
| norbertbede1 | i am sure conflience can do anything. would be nice to know our requirements | 20:26 |
| norbertbede1 | anyway if tbayen help me collect requiremnts. then i can make evaluation of applicability | 20:31 |
| tbayen | THe technology behind the multi-language wiki was done by me. I am the specialist. TThiessen was the one who begged me to do that. ;-) And he does much work in synchronizing the languages and keeping a structure. | 20:33 |
| tbayen | I do not think that any software can do that in this multi-language way. That is because it is strong maintained from the wikipedia community. | 20:34 |
| norbertbede1 | drop any link to that | 20:34 |
| norbertbede1 | to community work pls | 20:34 |
| tbayen | If confluence really has advantages because it works together with jira than it sounds more like a developer thing. And developer things are english anyways. We can think about dividing the developer things to a jira-connecxted confluence and keep the user documentation in the multilanguage wiki. | 20:35 |
| norbertbede1 | is this that ? http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Multilingual_MediaWiki | 20:36 |
| tbayen | I dont undertstand. Which link? Which community? | 20:36 |
| norbertbede1 | i thought mediawiki multilingual support | 20:37 |
| norbertbede1 | hey. but we can skip this chat. | 20:37 |
| tbayen | Yes, it seems so that this is it. There are several things that are to be connected the right way. One thing is linkage between the wikis, one thing is the translation overview at the left side and one thing is the single sign on. | 20:38 |
| norbertbede1 | if its not reasonable. then i dont need to envageluse | 20:38 |
| tbayen | If it has an advantage then we should evaluate it. But not for users, only for developers. | 20:38 |
| tbayen | It may be an advantage for the project if we differentiate these two things a bit more. | 20:39 |
| norbertbede1 | so the main point is to have all content (generated/manual written) in same structure | 20:41 |
| norbertbede1 | https://marketplace.atlassian.com/plugins/ch.bitvoodoo.confluence.plugins.language | 20:43 |
| norbertbede1 | but not as you want exactly | 20:43 |
| norbertbede1 | achieved by custom macros | 20:43 |
| norbertbede1 | another one https://marketplace.atlassian.com/plugins/com.k15t.scroll.scroll-translations | 20:45 |
| norbertbede1 | but this available only for on demand installation | 20:45 |
| norbertbede1 | its german plugin :) | 20:54 |
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