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| JanThielemann | good morning @ all | 07:05 |
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| red1 | Hello Hesham hahmed ? | 13:06 |
| hahmed | Hey red1 | 13:06 |
| red1 | Its been a long time, how you been? | 13:07 |
| hahmed | great man, just busy with other stuff | 13:07 |
| hahmed | how about you | 13:07 |
| red1 | OK, well as usual here | 13:08 |
| red1 | So had you came around Malaysia? | 13:08 |
| hahmed | I was there till September last year | 13:08 |
| red1 | OK, that time i was in Africa | 13:09 |
| red1 | so now you back to using iDempiere? | 13:09 |
| hahmed | oh how was it | 13:09 |
| hahmed | well I am always with iDempiere | 13:09 |
| hahmed | just not that active anymore | 13:09 |
| red1 | OK, nice to see you back anyway | 13:10 |
| red1 | Today Carlos is on leave.. rare but it happens | 13:10 |
| hahmed | How was Africa | 13:11 |
| hahmed | i see there is a good market for iDempiere | 13:11 |
| red1 | Yes everywhere it is growing.. Africa is another new world going thru belated development | 13:12 |
| hahmed | yeah in KSA (where I operate from) its very difficult to market iDempiere | 13:14 |
| hahmed | specially since finance is really never an issue here!!! | 13:14 |
| hahmed | I mean companies are really not interested in saving money, or with the fact that open source will give them something THEY own not something SAP, Oracle, MS etc owns | 13:14 |
| hahmed | the usual response we get is, oh we don’t have any issues paying $4,000,000 to SAP, we just want to a BIG name for our ERP | 13:15 |
| hahmed | so red1 what is your main target size for iDempiere implementations, I mean do you primarily target SMB or large enterprises | 13:17 |
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| red1 | hahmed: my advice will be not to sell as Free Lunch | 13:30 |
| red1 | you probably know i always preach this | 13:31 |
| red1 | sell as freedom where SAP cannot provide | 13:31 |
| red1 | freedom to fit into any case | 13:31 |
| red1 | at a high cost of course | 13:31 |
| red1 | invest in some advertising | 13:31 |
| hahmed | yeah, thats what we try to do | 13:31 |
| red1 | and that takes a lot of imagination | 13:31 |
| red1 | my love of branding help shape what i been doing here | 13:31 |
| red1 | its my bigger love (art) than science | 13:32 |
| hahmed | we need branding for iDempiere | 13:32 |
| hahmed | thats very important | 13:32 |
| red1 | i am planning something big in due time, to make the RedHat of ERP | 13:32 |
| hahmed | its MUCH better now | 13:32 |
| red1 | yes our bet was right | 13:32 |
| red1 | its a matter of time | 13:32 |
| hahmed | the forking and the politics have caused a lot of damage | 13:32 |
| red1 | but i still get the free lunch syndrome around | 13:32 |
| red1 | yes necessary to clear the dirt | 13:33 |
| red1 | it could be worse | 13:33 |
| red1 | as seen with Compiere it is as good as dead | 13:33 |
| hahmed | effort that could’ve all gone into iDempiere now goes into three projects | 13:33 |
| red1 | we survive and that is what is important | 13:33 |
| red1 | it does not impact that way | 13:33 |
| red1 | most good things remains open and there is merging between all three | 13:33 |
| red1 | as the community are also involved that way | 13:34 |
| hahmed | yeah I am talking about branding efforts | 13:34 |
| red1 | but they culminate here where those developers prefer | 13:34 |
| red1 | fragmentation is part of marketing maturity | 13:34 |
| hahmed | I now have to tell my customers to search for iDempiere, Adempiere, Compiere and OpenBravo to actually see the size of the project | 13:35 |
| red1 | including from Openbravo and OpenERP or Odoo brought interest in FOSS ERP | 13:35 |
| red1 | and eventually many arrived here from them | 13:35 |
| red1 | this is a healthy sign | 13:35 |
| hahmed | for FOSS its great, forking is the biggest blessing of FOSS, but for branding and marketing it hurts | 13:35 |
| red1 | thats the market price for such things | 13:36 |
| red1 | so lets focus on that which is a gap | 13:36 |
| red1 | not on the technical | 13:36 |
| red1 | for technical, collaborate openly and save cost | 13:37 |
| red1 | invidividual distros bring out a level market | 13:37 |
| hahmed | yeah agreed | 13:37 |
| red1 | eventually an 'IBM' level comes in | 13:37 |
| red1 | many also broke the GPL law | 13:37 |
| red1 | they refused to share without knowing they are breaking the law they agree when they download it | 13:37 |
| red1 | but that is not important, just inefficient | 13:38 |
| red1 | the internet is viral so i am worried about lack of marketing, it will just take a spark | 13:38 |
| red1 | i mean i am NOT worried | 13:38 |
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| red1 | so far we own no staff nor liability, it remains utterly free | 13:39 |
| red1 | no other FOSS ERP can claim that | 13:39 |
| red1 | what is free and unpaid cannot die | 13:39 |
| hahmed | yeah thats the best thing, iDempiere is the only community run ERP project | 13:39 |
| hahmed | no VC backing, no “ENTERPRISE VERSION” | 13:40 |
| red1 | its growing a lot in the JIRA side, that peer review cannot keep up | 13:40 |
| red1 | patches pour in there | 13:40 |
| hahmed | yeah we need more testing and top level development | 13:40 |
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| aguerra | hello every body!!! | 15:00 |
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| hieplq | hi @tbayen again notify wiki has issue :D | 17:40 |
| tbayen | mom... | 17:41 |
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| tbayen | Wiki is up again. Thanks for the info. | 17:45 |
| tbayen | That was another issue. Not the usual "disk full". A real crash. 8-o | 17:46 |
| hieplq | but same solution, just restart server :D | 17:46 |
| tbayen | No. The "disk full" means: login, delete something, start "reboot" command (just to be sure, but possibly not needed). Today was "going to the server console and pull the plug out of the wall". | 17:48 |
| tbayen | Possible the machine needs more memory. I hope my new apprentice can care about that. He starts in some weeks. :-) | 17:50 |
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| hieplq | relate IDEMPIERE-2112, you can list all current shortcut of swing? i will try implement it and after that make it configuration | 17:53 |
| tbayen | I wrote this issue together with Carlos. We found out that it is not easy to find good shortcuts in zk because the browser changes and filters some interesting things. So I would say that we try to find "good" shortcuts. But they do not have to be equal to Swing. | 17:55 |
| tbayen | Another thing is that we thought if we want to make this configurable. Personally I don't think that this is needed in the database. Nobody will really change that. But if you collect the shortcuts in one file in the sourcecode it would be configurable for a developer (or even as a plugin if you really need that). | 17:57 |
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| hieplq | sure. with configurable we let end user improve his list. | 17:57 |
| tbayen | gtg. bye! | 18:14 |
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| jfrancisco | Hi community | 22:12 |
| jfrancisco | I have reinstalled my operating system ubuntu 12.04, openjdk-6, eclipse and tomcat 7 | 22:13 |
| jfrancisco | and I have imported adempiere project | 22:14 |
| jfrancisco | when I run tomcat server | 22:14 |
| jfrancisco | it show me the follow error message: | 22:14 |
| jfrancisco | java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: org.adempiere.webui.session.WebUIServlet | 22:14 |
| jfrancisco | ¿any suggestions? | 22:15 |
| jfrancisco | please | 22:25 |
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